°° Khudi/Arrogance °°

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Ashii

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Khudi that can b translated by SELF ESTEEM i suppose
and Arrogance (i hope im using the rite word)



inn dono k beech ki limit kya/kahan hai

Posted 07 Feb 2005

Bazigaar says
koi nahi hae
Posted 07 Feb 2005

Ashii says
ehhhh

yani k our national poet humein yeh sabak de k gae hein
a whole life spent to tell ppl B ARROGANT
Posted 07 Feb 2005

guest. says
heinnnnnn

self esteem ..is self respest...self dignity

arrogance is proudness..(think so)agar banda khud ko bohat zaida samjhnay na tou osay arrogant kehtay hein

Posted 07 Feb 2005

arrogant means takabur??
Posted 07 Feb 2005

Ashii says
that wot i thought kashu
but where does khudi end and arrogance starts ??



yep ather
takabur
Posted 08 Feb 2005

guest. says
SALL said:

that wot i thought kashu
but where does khudi end and arrogance starts ??



jab tak insaan yeh samjhta rahay k sab ALLAH ki raza say hota hai...tab tak arrogant nahin banta..
likin jab banday ki soch mein yeh baat aa jay k sab osi ka kia karaya hai or iss mein kisi ka haath nahin..tou kaam kharab ho jata hai

fark sirf belief ka hai...or kuch nahin
Posted 08 Feb 2005

friend_16 says
i think self esteem aik limit taak sahee hai .. laiken agar ye ziada ho jaiy tu ye arrogance baan jatee hai .. aur arrogant insaaan kabhee successful nahi hoo sakta .. for the time being ho jaiy ga laiken baad main he'll repent on it.. coz pride shows ur better than others.. u can do better .. laiken nobody is perfect.. kaheen na kaheen us say ghalti zaroor hoo ge..
Posted 08 Feb 2005

Ashii says
rite kashu n saheli


i got wot arrogance is
but can someone give me a brief (real) def of khudi
Posted 08 Feb 2005

Bazigaar says
SALL said:

rite kashu n saheli


i got wot arrogance is
but can someone give me a brief (real) def of khudi



open up dictionary
Posted 09 Feb 2005

Ashii says
i ve only one urdu dictionary
and they dont explain KHUDI in it

Posted 09 Feb 2005

Badal says
Assalam o Alaikum,

In do not think there is a direct relation (similarity) between "khudi" and "arrogance". If we take the meanings of "khudi" as "self esteem" then self esteem itself is a good thing sinnce you may well know the people who sell their self esteem (like beggers, flatterers etc), what kind of people they are. Khudi can be translated as “selfhood”, whick is closer to “takabbur”. But Iqbal’s philosophy of “khudi” was quite different. As used by Iqbal what comes closest to “khudi” is “Assertive will-power imbued with Moral Values”. This is apparent from these lines:

Khudi ko kar baland itna, ke har taqdeer sey pehley
Khuda bandey ko khud poocchey, bata, 'Teri raza kya hai?'

(Endow your will with such power, that at every turn of fate it so be
That God Himself asks of His slave, 'what is it that pleases you?')

I forgot a “Hadees” that could explain this concept of “khudi” very well. In fact, this could also be taken as, “Insaan jab apnay aap ko Allah ka Ahkaam kay mutabiq dhal leta hai, Allah ki raza say razi ho jata hai, tu asal main usay wahi mila jo us nay chaha kyun uski khahishaat Allah ki marzi kay tabae theen” And I should quote, Allah sent many orders (the rules of Islam) on the desires of His Prophet His Prophet’s friends (“Sahaba”). Hum sab jantay hain kay Muslim women kay liye “Hijab” ka hukam Hazrat Umer ki khahish par aya tha. Yeh unki “Khudi” hi thi ( aur aaj kal most women ki “khudi” ki yeh halat hai kay unhain “Hijab” se sharam aati hai).

And as far as “arrogance” is concerned, it is making undue claims of and taking pride in rank, dignity, estimation, knowledge, or power. It is condemned, not because they do not have power or knowledge (they may have it), because pride is for Allah only, Allah has blessed them with these qualities, He may bless anyone, if we have some good qualities blessed by Allah then it was never our right, it is Allah’s favor on us.

Is topic par ziada maloom nahi mujhay, may be I am wrong.

Allah Hafiz.
Posted 09 Feb 2005

dotmatrix says
khudi and arrogance. good topic. but i have to say something about it as well. khudi se muradke mein mein or sirf mein. mere siwa koi nahin. or jahan tak arrogance ki baat hai. to woh insaan ka ziddi hona hai. us me woh ye nahin kehta ke sirf mere liye magar kuch kar guzarne ki zid zydah hoti haiu
Posted 09 Feb 2005

Ashii says
Z
samajh nahi aaya





dot....
khudi se murad ME sirf ME
then it s something vv bad
Posted 10 Feb 2005

Bazigaar says
SALL said:

i ve only one urdu dictionary
and they dont explain KHUDI in it



ahhh...it's ego...***i think***
Posted 10 Feb 2005

khudi word kabhi nahi suna
Posted 10 Feb 2005

Ashii says
me aap ki knowledge k sadke ather uz zaman





par EGO
ego ---> egoism ---> egoist
nah yarrr,,,
yeh kaise ho sakta hai
Posted 10 Feb 2005

friend_16 says
SALL said:

rite kashu n saheli


i got wot arrogance is
but can someone give me a brief (real) def of khudi



closest word to "khudi" is "self" .. n it can b takken as positive as well..

srk app nay suna ho ga .. iqbal ka shair:

khudi ko ker blund itna kay her takqeer say pehlay
khuda banday say khud poochay pata teri raza kia hai..

kuch samaj aiy?
Posted 11 Feb 2005

Badal says
Arey itna bara sa explain kya tha main ne khudi aur arrogance ko, aap nay ooper shaid parha nahi, dekhain shaid passand aa jaey.
Posted 11 Feb 2005

friend_16 says
oops waqayee nahi parha .. ab parha hai ..

khudi sirf "self" ko kehtay hein .. agar self kay agay jitnay marzee add kertay jaoo .. is say -ive bhee aur +ive bhee words bantay hein .. like u said self esteem.. ye dono matlab main ata hai .. selfish .. self control.. self confidence... n so on .. simple "khudi" means "self"..
Posted 11 Feb 2005

friend_16 says
khudi khud say bhee hoo sakta hai .. "main"

main khudi karoon g ye kaam.. .. is main i think kuch mushkil tu nahi hai..

her cheez postive main bhe use hoo sakte hai -ive main bhe.. ziada khudhi ko barha do tu arrogance baan jaiy ga .. jo kay ghalat hai..
Posted 11 Feb 2005

Badal says
bilkul theek kaha aap nay, laikin darasal SALL ne yeh topic shuru kia, aur qoumi shair ki bhi baat ki main nay sirf wohi meanings explain kiye jo Iqbal ne use kiye, aur traditional way main tu khudi ko "self" hi kaha jata hai
Posted 11 Feb 2005

friend_16 says
yea rite zeeshan..

besides ye kay Allah Tallah nay bhee Quran main khudhi ka word use kia hai apnay liay.. i'll do search the reference.. par wait kerna paray ga uskay liay..
Posted 11 Feb 2005

Badal says
Don't worry we will wait, shukar hai koi tu Quran se bhi guidance leta hai, , dil khush kar dya aap ne.
Posted 11 Feb 2005

Ashii says
yarrra me ne parha tha par mujhe samajh aaya nahi
zor ki khansi aa rahi hai





yar khudi Iqbal wali hi na,, ussi liye thora sa confuse thi me
have u read SHIKWA,, Khuda se Shikwa matlab k insaan ki khudi usse aisa karne pe majboor karti hai,, do u know Iqbal pe blasphemy ka charge lagne ko tha bcoz of shikwa and that s y he wrote Jawab e Shikwa (which is brilliant aswell)

if u read his poetry (i ll try to post here later)
aur kuch gaur karo to i felt Shetan (Isblees) ne Adam ko sajda apni khudi ki waja se nahi kiya,, coz when he says me aag se bana hu aur yeh khaak se,,,,,,

im confused,,
correct me plz
Posted 11 Feb 2005

Badal says
SALL yahi tu abhi friend nay bhi kaha hai kay khudi kay different meanings hain, khudi ko Iqbal ne diff meanings main liya aur iblees wali baat bhi theek hai kyun kay this is another meaning of khudi, yeh tu depend karta hai na kay use kis tarah aur kin meanings main kiya gya hai. waisay iblees wali baat par ghor kiya jaey tu us nay jo reason di thi wo theek bhi hosakti thi, us par lanat tu sirf inkar ki waja se pari thi. yeh tu Allah ko behtar maloom kay aag behtar hai ya mitti.
Posted 11 Feb 2005

Ashii says
hmmm.... baat to theek hai



matlab k hum mei khudi honi chaiye par Iblees jitni nahi
hmm,,
to phir kitni
Posted 11 Feb 2005

Badal says
aur jahaan tak shikwa jawab e shikwa ki baat hai, tu yeh tu nyat pe depend karta hai unhoon ne Allah se shikwa muhabat main hi kiya tha, aur aksar moulana waighaira sochay samjhay baghair fatwa laga detey hai, agar yeh fatwa durust tha tu jawab ke baad ghalat kesey ho gya, kyunkay shikwa tu apni jaga tha na. aap ne Hazrat Mousa ka wakya parha ho ga jab unhain aik bazahir "syupid" sa banda mila jo keh raha tha ae Allah mera dil chahta hai tu mere pass aey, mere tere baal banaoon, kangi karoon waighaira waghaira, tu Hazrat Mousa un usay danta magar Allah nay unhain dantnay say mana kar dya aur kaha kay yeh tu meri muhabat main aisa keh raha hai, dewana hai.
Posted 11 Feb 2005

Ashii says
hmmmmmmmmm...

yani k self esteem apni jaga par keep in mind k hum jo hein Allah miyan ne hi banaya hai
Posted 13 Feb 2005

friend_16 says
hmm rite .. self esteem laiken kuch logoon ko ziada bhe hoo jatee hai .. within a limit .. her cheez within a limit achee hai .. na kisi cheez ki ziadati achee hoti na na kami ..

Allah Tallah nay kafee jaga kaha hai ..
" i created this world .. "
" i created earth n sky ... "
" i created man n jin just to worship me.. "

Allah has used "I" many times in Quran ..
Posted 14 Feb 2005

Badal says
ZEESHANAHMED said:

And as far as “arrogance” is concerned, it is making undue claims of and taking pride in rank, dignity, estimation, knowledge, or power. It is condemned, not because they do not have power or knowledge (they may have it), because pride is for Allah only, Allah has blessed them with these qualities, He may bless anyone, if we have some good qualities blessed by Allah then it was never our right, it is Allah’s favor on us.

Posted 14 Feb 2005

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