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Ashii

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before i start,,,
wot s ur opinion abt a flesh trader,, in other words a Prostitute ??


(ps: plzz immature soch ko bahir chor k aaiye)
Posted 11 Feb 2005

Badal says
Prostitute:

1- woman who engages in sexual activity for payment.
2- (usually, male prostitute) man or boy who engages in sexual activity, esp. with homosexual men, for payment.

and in general,

3- misuse or offer one's talents, skills, name, beauty, body etc. for money etc
Posted 12 Feb 2005

Ashii says
thnx Z
warna me to samjhi thi yahan pe sab members under 14 hein




khair... yeh jo aap ne kaha yeh to definition hai,,
i asked for UR OPINION.... wot do u think abt these ppl ??
Posted 13 Feb 2005

i m under 14...i never talk abt these type of topics
Posted 13 Feb 2005

Ashii says
sadke jau aap ki masoomiyat k
inhi logon ka music aur movies to bare shok se dekhte ho aap
aur reality ko face karne mei bari sharam aati hai
Posted 13 Feb 2005

dost19 says
We do everything for a reason....somtimes the reaon is money


Some people become prostitutes because they like it; others become prostitutes because they feel they are providing a service; many become prostitutes because?all things considered?it's the best job they can get.



Sometimes girlz are forced to go into prostitution....(now dats sad)
Posted 13 Feb 2005

Badal says
dost19 said:

We do everything for a reason....somtimes the reaon is money


Some people become prostitutes because they like it; others become prostitutes because they feel they are providing a service; many become prostitutes because?all things considered?it's the best job they can get.



Sometimes girlz are forced to go into prostitution....(now dats sad)



arey wahhh, agar girls ko force kia jaey tu sad hai, aur agar just financial benefit or sexual pleasure kay liye ikhakiyat ki tamam hudood tor di jain tu yeh sad nahi hai?? thoray say faiday ya khushi kay liye apni aakhirat barbaad kar li jaey tu yeh sad nahi hai?? i am waiting for your comments.
Posted 14 Feb 2005

dost19 says
Zee i'm not saying its not sad for the other galz....

mien toh unn ke liye keh rahi hoon jo nahin bhi karna chahtien unn ko force kiya jata hai......dont u think dats sad for them....

Posted 14 Feb 2005

Ashii says
okkk then,,
we ve few reasons here

MONEY,
by FORCE
but a 3rd and the most imp reason

a gal born in such family ??????
do u think in our society she has a choice to change her lifestyle, even if she s not interested in money or she s not even forced,,,,,
woh log to khair hein hu bure,,, but WE,, NICE PPL
are we ready to accept them ??


one more thing,,,
as my topic's title shows,, this topic is a TABOO
but i never got y,,, agar prost itniiii hi buri cheez hai to nearly 57 yrs se to isse kaabb ka khatam ho jana chaiye tha,,, but ulta it s increasing day by day,,,
ab plzzz koi mujhe yeh na kahe k iss mei bhi india, america ya israel ka haath hai
Posted 14 Feb 2005

Badal says
in 57 years main SALL burai tu koi bhi kam nahi hui, bulkay barhi hi hai tu iss ka yeh matlab tu nahi na kay wo "burai" itni buri nahi jaisa aap nay kaha "agar prost itniiii hi buri cheez hai to nearly 57 yrs se to isse kaabb ka khatam ho jana chaiye tha,,, but ulta it s increasing day by day". what do you say? kia koi example hai aisi aap kay pass aisi burai ki jo khatam hui ho?

waja tu har burai ki tarah yeh hi hai kay hamara imaan kamzoor hota ja raha hai, dunya ki hawas barhti ja rahi hai, aakhirat bhoolti ja rahi hai, aur yeh koi na samajh anay wali baat nahi hai, har koi apna muhasba kar kay dekh sakta hai.

laikin is ka yeh matlab hargiz nahi kay bura allowed kar di jaey ya isay condemn na kiya jaey.
Posted 14 Feb 2005

Ashii says
i never said k isse allow kar dena chaiye
come on yarr,, i donno y aap ko aisa laga

par the thing i hate the most it "dogla pan"
aik taraf hum log kuch baton ko itnaaa galt samajhte hein k unn k bare mei baat karte hue sharam aati hai,, and at the other hand usse khatam karne ki kabhi koi koshish hi nahi karte

burai ko khatam karne ka pehla step hai,,, usse kam se maan to lo,, but it seems kissi mei itni himmat nahi hai to face to reality
aik taraf to harrr aik ghar mei movies, cables dekhe jate hein without anyy hesitation,, parties mei dancing gals invited hoti hein,, actress invited hoti hein,,, and proudly present bhi ki jati hein,,,
aur doosri taraf heera mandi ka naam lete hi log kanon ko haath lagate hein

kaisi munafkat hai yeh ?????????????????????

i ll post something more intersting tomorrow,, abhi time nahi hai,, tab tak k liye sab mil k mujhe kosiye,, hehehheheheee
Posted 14 Feb 2005

Ashii says
hmmm,,,
okkk back to the topic

i may hurt few ppl here,,, so if u dont have guts to face the reality u better walk out rite now..


without comparing our culture n country to others let s have a look at our history,,, yep sub-continental muslim history,,
beside all other good things muslim emprors are well known coz of their 'harems'.. Jahangir's (aka Anarkali's Saleem, son of Akbar and husband of Noor jahan) harem was said to have abt 6000 mistresses. throughout the Sultanate periode we find references to the existance of prost, female singers n dancin gals whose order was presided over by important ppl of 'shahi darbar'
Shahi mohalla located so close to shahi Qila must ring DINGG DONG bells in ur head,, haan ???

one more crucial issue is,,,, role a society assigns to its women. In Pak (a muslim country) prost in its ugliest form is the direct consequence of denial of women's inherit dignity n rights.
okkk,,, let me make it clear,, im sure aap ko samajhne mei phir galti hui hogi,,,,, but just try to understand,, think for a moment k pak mei prost ko kinn naamon se pukara jata hai,, zahir hai ghatya language mei but stilll these words exist,, and try to analyse these words...
for the moment i ve only 3 words in mind,, and teeno ka matlab hai,,, "kaam karne wali" and "bahir jaane wali" a woman who earns her livelihood ?????
dont tell me that it doesnt mean anything to u,, keep in mind k kissi bhi mulk ya kaum ki language unn ki history aur culture ka reflection hoti hai
does it mean sab bahir jane wali aur kaam karne wali aurtein galt hein ???



one quest,,,
do u really think these BAD WOMEN are the EVIL
"seducers" "home-breakers" "distroyers of the male mind" and "corrupters of the youth"
or there s something else hidden deep in our society,, jo humein sirf sachai ka aik rukh dikhati hai, woh rukh jiss mei HUM log nahi hein
Posted 14 Feb 2005

Badal says
Assalam o Alaikum,

SALL said:

hmmm,,,
okkk back to the topic

i may hurt few ppl here,,, so if u dont have guts to face the reality u better walk out rite now..


without comparing our culture n country to others let s have a look at our history,,, yep sub-continental muslim history,,
beside all other good things muslim emprors are well known coz of their 'harems'.. Jahangir's (aka Anarkali's Saleem, son of Akbar and husband of Noor jahan) harem was said to have abt 6000 mistresses. throughout the Sultanate periode we find references to the existance of prost, female singers n dancin gals whose order was presided over by important ppl of 'shahi darbar'
Shahi mohalla located so close to shahi Qila must ring DINGG DONG bells in ur head,, haan ???

one more crucial issue is,,,, role a society assigns to its women. In Pak (a muslim country) prost in its ugliest form is the direct consequence of denial of women's inherit dignity n rights.
okkk,,, let me make it clear,, im sure aap ko samajhne mei phir galti hui hogi,,,,, but just try to understand,, think for a moment k pak mei prost ko kinn naamon se pukara jata hai,, zahir hai ghatya language mei but stilll these words exist,, and try to analyse these words...
for the moment i ve only 3 words in mind,, and teeno ka matlab hai,,, "kaam karne wali" and "bahir jaane wali" a woman who earns her livelihood ?????
dont tell me that it doesnt mean anything to u,, keep in mind k kissi bhi mulk ya kaum ki language unn ki history aur culture ka reflection hoti hai
does it mean sab bahir jane wali aur kaam karne wali aurtein galt hein ???



one quest,,,
do u really think these BAD WOMEN are the EVIL
"seducers" "home-breakers" "distroyers of the male mind" and "corrupters of the youth"
or there s something else hidden deep in our society,, jo humein sirf sachai ka aik rukh dikhati hai, woh rukh jiss mei HUM log nahi hein



SALL buhat achi takreer kar leiti hain aap, i am impressed. jahaan tak is burai ka talluk hai na tu yeh tu doosri buhat si buraiyoon ki tarah hamesha se hai, koi iss kay khilaf koi step lena bhi chahay tu leney nahi dya jata, why? hum sab janatay hain, but I will explain it latter.

Muslim history??? theek, main nahi kehta jo aap ne likha wo ghalat hai, but change it from "muslim history" to "subcontinent history". Aap ko achi tarah pata hai muslim hona kia hota hai, Jahangir kay baap Akbar kay baray main bhi maloom hona chahiye kay he was no more a muslim us nay tu aik nya deen “Deen e Elahi” bana liya tha aur hindu aurtoon say shadi bhi ki, aur us nay jo aulad chori wo us say behtar nahi thi aur aap isay “muslim” history keh kar Muslims aur Islam kay baray main koi acha tassur nahi de rahi hain.

Jahan tak 6000 mistresses ki baat hai tu I will not deny it but I want to know what is the source of this information and don’t say me that “main ne suna hai”, I want the source aur source bhi wo jis par aitabar kiya ja sakay after all kisi kay baray main itna kuch kehnay ka kuch tu proof dena chahiye.

“denial of women's inherit dignity n rights”, please explain which inherit dignity and rights have been denied to women of Pakistan which are given to them by Islam but not Pakistani government and people (I am not defending our government), and if it is so the people who deny are what percentage of the people of Pakistan?

Baar baar aap kehti hain, bulkay kafi log kehtay hain, Pak muslim country, muslim state, Islamic state etc, yahi ab tu Islam aur Pakistan kay kay logoon ki majority ka Muslim hona bhi Pakistan kay liye aik tanna ban gya hai. Let me make it clear, Pakistan is not an Islamic state, naam kay sath “Islami Jamhooriya” likh denay say koi country Islamic state nahi ho jata, kia yahaan koi kanoon aisa hai jo Islam kay mutabiq ho? Kia kabhi kisi chor kar hath katay gaey, kisi ko sangsaar kiya gya? Never! Yahaan sirf majority muslims ki hai, kanoon ghairoon ka hi chalta hai waja kia hai I think everyone knows that. Par phir bhi Allah ka shukar hai buhat say doosray countries ki nisbat buhat behtar hai.

"kaam karne wali", "bahir jaane wali", “kissi bhi mulk ya kaum ki language unn ki history aur culture ka reflection hoti hai”, Firstly, bahr jana kaam karna tu ghalat nahi hai agar jo kaam kiya jar aha hai wo theek hai. Secondly, now tell me again in prosts kay liye yeh alfaz use karnay walay aakhir kitnay log hain jo aap poori Pakistani nation ko aur unkay culture ko blame kar rahi hain? If you say it is whole Pakistani nation then you will have to prove it before saying anything.

“does it mean sab bahir jane wali aur kaam karne wali aurtein galt hein ???” absolutely not of course, just bahi ja kar kaam karna nahi bulkay ghalat kaam karna bura hai. Again I will say here, jo log prosts ko “kaam karnay wali” kehtay hain wo hain kon aur aisa kehnay say unka maksad kia hai? Yeh wohi log hain jo is prosts kay “clients” hain not the whole Pakistani nation. Unka maksad yeh hai kay iss ghatya kaam ko koi muazziz naam de kar chupaya jaey ya popular na honay dya jaey. Obviously that should be condemned par is ka yeh matlab tu hargiz nahi banta kay sab kaam karnay wali aurtain ghalat hain.

“do u really think these BAD WOMEN are the EVIL”, EVIL to sirf wo burai hai jo wo BAD WOMEN kar rahi hain, but It does not mean that they are not BAD whatever the reason behind. Burai karnay walay ko hi bura kaha jaeyga. I am not saying kay hum bilkul masoom hain, is main har society ka bhi kuch na kuch role hota hai. Aap ne kuch reasons di theen kay yeh log kyun aisa kartay hain

1- money
2- force
3- we are not going to accept them, even if they want to get rid of this EVIL.

MONEY, ya tu kuch logoon ko ratoon raat AMEER honay ka shok hota hai, ya phir POVERTY causes it. Poverty insaan ka IMAAN kamzoor sakti hai as out Prophet said “Kareeb hai kay muflisi kufr tak puhancha day”, but obviously yeh poors kay liye gunnah karnay ka IJAZAT NAMA nahi hai.

FORCE, obviously yahaan un logoon ka kusoor hai jo unhain aisa karnay par majboor kartay hain, but what do you think is it the whole Pakistani nation?

AND the 3rd one, yahaan society ziada involved hai. Kam az kam aisi aurton ko tu society ko zaroor kubool kar lena chahiye jo abhi tak us environment main bhi iss gunna say door hain, magar masla yeh aa jata hai beech main kay kisi ko kia maloom kay kon masoom hai aur kon nahi. Doorsa wo log jo iss gunnah main involved hain tu unkay liye tu Allah ka hukam hai Quran main kay “pakdaman aurtain pakdaman mardoon kay liye aur napak aurtain napak mardoon kay liye”. Jo aurtain yeh burai chor kar touba kar kay izzat ki zindagi jeena chahti hain, unkay liye Islam main buhat jaga hai, unhain mushkilat se nahi darna chahiye there are always certain ways to avoid these difficulties.
Posted 15 Feb 2005

Ashii says
Z Z ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz...
i am blaming our society,, aur ISLAM ka naam me sirfff iss liye leti hu coz WE R PROUD MUSLIMS (Khuda na khasta me religion ko galt nahi keh rahi)

i said something earlier
it mite sounds like a movie dialogue par hai sach
"bura koore ka dher nahi hota,,, bura woh log hote hein jo iss dher ko paida karte hein aur barhne se nahi rokte"

a gal born in such family,,,,, khud aap batao uss k liye achai kya aur burai kya ???
im not saying at alllll that these ppl r innocent,,, bilkullll nahi woh log galt hein,,, par woh akele sab cheez k zimmedar nahi hein



i ll answer ur post in detail later,, abhi hum serious hone k mood mei nahi hein
Posted 15 Feb 2005

Badal says
SALL said:

Z Z ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz...
i am blaming our society,, aur ISLAM ka naam me sirfff iss liye leti hu coz WE R PROUD MUSLIMS (Khuda na khasta me religion ko galt nahi keh rahi)

i said something earlier
it mite sounds like a movie dialogue par hai sach
"bura koore ka dher nahi hota,,, bura woh log hote hein jo iss dher ko paida karte hein aur barhne se nahi rokte"

a gal born in such family,,,,, khud aap batao uss k liye achai kya aur burai kya ???
im not saying at alllll that these ppl r innocent,,, bilkullll nahi woh log galt hein,,, par woh akele sab cheez k zimmedar nahi hein



i ll answer ur post in detail later,, abhi hum serious hone k mood mei nahi hein



arey koi iss koray kay dher ko hatanay de bhi tu na, aap serious honay kay baad post kar lain tu phir main iss par bhi kuch kahoonga. aur yeh baat tu main nay bhi likhi hai kay wo akailay zimmadaar nahi ghoor say parhain naaaaaaa.
Posted 15 Feb 2005

Silent onlookers are equally guilty of crime as those who do it!!

Society, on the whole bears responsibiltiy of all of its ills, whether all volunteer to it or not.

Society and its culture which evolve over decades, web ever so intricately, shape many practices, however wrong and evil, and stakeholder and diehards maintain status quo at all costs. Disproving silent majorities usually accept such ills, thinking they may fade away or at least won't harm 'em as they live in so called "within protective walls".

In a society, when people of evil deeds given positions of high order, spread evil with their administrative influence to make their behavior and practices acceptable in the society.

When people of live conscience and high morals have courage to stand upto evil and its promotors, and stomuch to bear everything that comes its ways, evil collapses becuz its weak in nature.
Posted 15 Feb 2005

Prostitution remains one of the oldest trades of human crimnal history. It prospers on weak moral, uncontrolled desires and passions.
When People of Palestine could not defeat armies of Omar RA, they sent women into Muslim armies to lure and corrupt those men to weaken their resolve and determination. They failed to lure these men of character. They came to open jerusulam as they were merchants of good morals, self control and their unwaivered belief in Allah and accountability of the last Day, prevented them from any activity falling short of their standard.

Many Muslims today enjoy and appreciate acts of indecency in their private life but act righteous in public life. Watching indecent movies, songs, browing internet in search for nasty stuff...
Prostitution once confined to harems now finding ways into decent families - only having different names, professions and politically correct titles - modeling, acting, dancing, marketing, fashion, life-style...where "only pretty" women are made to lure customers to a product bcuz its pleasing to eyes of potential customers ($$) - very sophisticated prostitution garbed under so called "art professions".

A very tricky but dangerous ploy of entrapping people who lowered their gaurd just a bit.

SAll, I will return to your question of babys born of prostitutes later. gtg
Posted 15 Feb 2005

dost19 said:

We do everything for a reason....somtimes the reaon is money


Some people become prostitutes because they like it; others become prostitutes because they feel they are providing a service; many become prostitutes because?all things considered?it's the best job they can get.



Sometimes girlz are forced to go into prostitution....(now dats sad)



Agreed ...

But Have Nothing To say But Gonna Read Your "Info" Maybe Because and Kuch .... For Your Topic Chall.
Posted 16 Feb 2005

Blue Oasis says
Warning! For mature audiances only!

Personally I am against prostitution, but look at it from a western perspective and you may begin to realise why it has been around for so long.

Imagine this scenario;

A man is in the mood, he has no body to engage in intercourse with either because he isn't attractive or simply doesn't have a girlfriend. Now he's desperate, he goes out for a walk and sees a women walking alone. He approaches her, takes her into a back ally, and rapes her.

In the UK a study carried out in the early 90's showed that when asked men if they would rape, if they could get away with it, 74% of the men in the study said "yes"

What if this women being raped was a boy? The group most vulnerable to a sexual harassment attack are boys aged 11 to 16!

Okay now say if this man had a place to go where his needs could be taken care of, i.e. a brothel, it would keep the streets safer. That's why it's joked that prostitution is a public service because it's like a "pervert prevention duty"

tch I don't know, it's wrong on principle, but not everyone has the same principles *shrugs*
Posted 16 Feb 2005

Badal says
Jia_ka_chand said:

Warning! For mature audiances only!

Personally I am against prostitution, but look at it from a western perspective and you may begin to realise why it has been around for so long.

Imagine this scenario;

A man is in the mood, he has no body to engage in intercourse with either because he isn't attractive or simply doesn't have a girlfriend. Now he's desperate, he goes out for a walk and sees a women walking alone. He approaches her, takes her into a back ally, and rapes her.

In the UK a study carried out in the early 90's showed that when asked men if they would rape, if they could get away with it, 74% of the men in the study said "yes"

What if this women being raped was a boy? The group most vulnerable to a sexual harassment attack are boys aged 11 to 16!

Okay now say if this man had a place to go where his needs could be taken care of, i.e. a brothel, it would keep the streets safer. That's why it's joked that prostitution is a public service because it's like a "pervert prevention duty"

tch I don't know, it's wrong on principle, but not everyone has the same principles *shrugs*



What a crude reasoning JIAAA, at least cant expect this answer from a Muslim.

First, whether it is "western perspective" or eastern, EVIL is EVIL. And being a Muslim, we cant hide outselves in western perspectives. Anyways, the topic was about whether prostitution should be allowed or for some situations and your so called "perspectives". It is understood in all relegions that it is an EVIL and must be stoped. The topic was what is the reason why people are inclined to that and how to stop them. Let's have a look at your own words.

"A man is in the mood, he has no body to engage in intercourse with either because he isn't attractive or simply doesn't have a girlfriend. Now he's desperate, he goes out for a walk and sees a women walking alone. He approaches her, takes her into a back ally, and rapes her."

Now the "girlsfriend", what do think is it good to have an intercourse with a "girlfriend"? If so then what the wives are there for? Why each relegion asks his followers to marry a girl? Obviously, each relegion wants to stop his followers indulging into such activities and provides a proper way to do that with his wife. And dont tell me that not everyone could be able to get a wife.

"Okay now say if this man had a place to go where his needs could be taken care of, i.e. a brothel, it would keep the streets safer. That's why it's joked that prostitution is a public service because it's like a "pervert prevention duty" "

His needs could be taken care of, right but that place is his wife for a husband and husband for a wife, not any brothel or some "girlfriend" or anything else, and "your streets will be safer".

I think it needs no more explanations for a GOOD mind, but, of course,not an EVIL mind.
Posted 16 Feb 2005

Ashii says
ws salam
n thnx Z,,,, meri takreer achi nahi hoti,, par iss ka asar aik damm woho hota hai wot i expect


jahan tak Moghols ka taluk hai to,, it was just a brief look at our history,, and i said MUSLIM history coz badkismati se baki muslim emprors k harem bhi kafi famous hein,,, i agreee sirf muslims nahi sabhi aise the par humein to apne gireban mei jhankna hai na



listen dear,,, yeh jo aap baar baar kehte ho k me ISLAM k baare mei acha tasur nahi de rahi,,, to me ne koi jhoot bola kya ??   jitne bhi topics mei agar kuch kaha to zyada tar batein facts hein,,, baki mera baat karne ka tareeka hi aisa hai,,,
iss forum pe shayad aik ya 2 non muslims aate honge,, kya hum log apne 'ghar' k pbs apas mei beth k discuss bhi nahi kar sakte ??    kya hamari asliyat itni buri hai k khud se nazrein milane mei sharm mehsoos hoti hai humein ????????
am i showing society's ugly face to the whole world ????
NO,, im not,,, me sirf itna janti hu k jab bhi koi aur shaks HUM logon k baare mei koi galt baat kehta hai to i must give them some real facts to prove the reasons of our 'un-developped' society
it s much easier for u to talk,,, coz aap ne real life mei kissi ko face nahi karna hota,,, u r surrounded by UR ppl,,,,,
khair,,, leave it,,, yeh baat khamkha mei bohot lambi ho jae gi




back to the topic..
dear,,, hamari language aik fact hai,,, i didnt invent new words,, it s a wellll known truth jiss se aap na-anjaan hein,,, strannggggggggggggee...

pfffffffff... % ko to aap rehne hi dein,,,
pata nahi aap log yeh kyun bhool jate ho k sirf KHI, LHE and ISB pakistan nahi hein,, 140 000 000 ki population kaun hai, kahan rehti hai, aur uss ki soch kya hai.... yeh baat aap pak mei reh k nahi samajh pae to me kya samjhau


u r rite,,, it seems MUSLIM hona pakis k liye aik taana hai,, coz woh bechare jaise hi kuch galt kaam karte hein unhein kaha jata hai k areyyy islam mei to yeh kaam sakhti se mana hai,,, tsk tsk,,,, poooor dudes,, mujhe wakai unn ki muslim hone ki """badkismati""" pe tars aata hai

(how can u even think like that)
dear Z,, baat kanoon ki nahi hai,,, baat unn asoolon, uss mahol ki hai jo k aik muslim contry mei hota hai,, par khair u r rite,, sab tang hein apni asliyat se

ZEESHANAHMED said:

Poverty insaan ka IMAAN kamzoor sakti hai as out Prophet said “Kareeb hai kay muflisi kufr tak puhancha day”, but obviously yeh poors kay liye gunnah karnay ka IJAZAT NAMA nahi hai.


shukar hai aap ki aik baat to theek lagi mujhe
iss se mujhe koi ikhtelaf nahi,,
par dear imagine for a moment agar koi apni gareebi ki waja se galt kaam pe majboor ho hi gaya hai to uss ki gareebi ka faida uthane k liye bhi log majboor hien kya ??

aur yehi exactly iss topic ka maksad hai,,,,,,,


baki batein shayad discuss karna fazool hai,,, but something that u said
ZEESHANAHMED said:

jahaan tak is burai ka talluk hai na tu yeh tu doosri buhat si buraiyoon ki tarah hamesha se hai, koi iss kay khilaf koi step lena bhi chahay tu leney nahi dya jata, why? hum sab janatay hain, but I will explain it latter.


and later u said "koi koore ka dher uthane de tab na"

here we are....................
agar mujhe samajhne mei galti nahi hui to,,, 2 reasons ho sakte hein,,,,
1st is.. prost (ya kissi bhi burai ka) network itna powerful hai k uss k khilaf jaana khatre se khali nahi,, yep u r rite,,, to kya iss waja se hum aankhein band kar k beth ja'ain ??   jihad issi ko nahi kehte kya ??
jab burai ko rokna hi hai to phir darr kahe ka..

par mera khyal 2nd reason zyada important hai,,,
me aap ki example nahi du gi,,, shayad aap bura maan jao,, meri example le lijiye..
agar me aaj apne parents se kahu that im gonna work for any org jo k pak mei women rights pe kaam karti hai and spec for THESE WOMEN,,,,, to jante ho kya hoga,,, acha khasa toofan khara ho jae ga,, i imagine Sall ko koi pb na ho but he has to face his family.. impossible for me to visit these ppl or to work for them,,
Y ??????

waiting for ur answer.
(aap ki post mei kuch batein me ne miss kar di hon shayad,,, next time sahi,,, abhiiiiiiiii,, errrghhhhh.. me shataaappp)
Posted 16 Feb 2005

Ashii says
Smooth_daddy said:

Prostitution remains one of the oldest trades of human crimnal history. It prospers on weak moral, uncontrolled desires and passions.
When People of Palestine could not defeat armies of Omar RA, they sent women into Muslim armies to lure and corrupt those men to weaken their resolve and determination. They failed to lure these men of character. They came to open jerusulam as they were merchants of good morals, self control and their unwaivered belief in Allah and accountability of the last Day, prevented them from any activity falling short of their standard.

Many Muslims today enjoy and appreciate acts of indecency in their private life but act righteous in public life. Watching indecent movies, songs, browing internet in search for nasty stuff...
Prostitution once confined to harems now finding ways into decent families - only having different names, professions and politically correct titles - modeling, acting, dancing, marketing, fashion, life-style...where "only pretty" women are made to lure customers to a product bcuz its pleasing to eyes of potential customers ($$) - very sophisticated prostitution garbed under so called "art professions".

A very tricky but dangerous ploy of entrapping people who lowered their gaurd just a bit.

SAll, I will return to your question of babys born of prostitutes later. gtg



THNXXXXXXXXXX SD
i think u got my point,,, wot wd i do without u


i mite have said something wrong in my prev posts,, but jab sabbbbbb itni galt soch rakhte hein to shayad thori si galti ki ijazat mujhe bhi honi chaiye

waiting for ur next post
Posted 16 Feb 2005

Ashii says
jia
im trying to understand ur post
well from ur point of view prost are not baad at allll,, they r here just like anyother product in market,,
and if they r a reason to avoid rapes,,,, phir to i shd salute them


so,,,,,, conclusion yeh hui k,, EVIL comes from the society,, in other words hum log,, or more exactly MEN








okkkkk bass,, abhi bohot sir ghoom gaya mera,,
baki baad mei
i ve something vvv interesting to post,, wait
Posted 16 Feb 2005

Badal says
SALL said:

jia
im trying to understand ur post
well from ur point of view prost are not baad at allll,, they r here just like anyother product in market,,
and if they r a reason to avoid rapes,,,, phir to i shd salute them


so,,,,,, conclusion yeh hui k,, EVIL comes from the society,, in other words hum log,, or more exactly MEN








okkkkk bass,, abhi bohot sir ghoom gaya mera,,
baki baad mei
i ve something vvv interesting to post,, wait



SALL, Jia kay comments ka main nay answer dya tha, aur kaha tha kay ye reasoning ghalat hai, chalain aap hi bata dain kay wife kis liye hoti hai? kia yeh apni khahish poori karnay ka sahi tareeka nahi hai? ya yeh kay wife milna impossible hai, aur yeh baat tu unhoon nay bhi likhi hai kay yeh sirf western perspective hai, then how can it be true for us, the MUSLIMS? yeh unkay muashray ki kharabi hai jisay prostitution ko drust karar deney kay liye daleel nahi banaya ja sakta. aap nay shaid meri post nahi parhi, aur parhi hai tu whats your opinion??
Posted 16 Feb 2005

Blue Oasis says
Oh gosh you have misunderstood me. The points in my previous post are NOT PERSONAL. I said that straight away to avoid any kind of accusations lol Of course it wasn't what a practising Muslim would think because I wasn't talking about a Muslim mind. I was only sharing another reality, not MY beliefs!

But never mind about that maybe I should have made the point more clear.

For a non-Muslim society in the UK prostitution is also considered wrong, but not because of moral decay (like Muslims view point is) but because of the health and safety problems it causes.

Safety of the call-girls hanging around the corner, alone and vulnerable. Safety of the public because of AIDS and SDs VDs transmitted by unprotected sex with countless partners.

Okay look, we as Muslims know it is wrong because of the teachings of the Quran, but the how do you tackle the problem in the West with non-Muslims?

Answer, the UK government has 'state registered' brothels where the health and safety of the prostitutes are looked after. For them that is the solution to keep the streets safe.


Posted 16 Feb 2005

LiL_DollY says
honesly it doesn't matter what you are or where you are from. reality is rape and everyhting related to the subject happens everywhere. And it is really sad. For women in particular.

I know friends in pakistan who told me about some muslims who got drunk and brought out a 15 year old and raped her. I mean this stuff is really sad but its happening.

It ruins lives of people and it effects them especially young children who are sometimes takin advantage of.

im studying child development. so i understand. I jsut wish parents would be more careful about leaving their children especially girls alone with male fmaily members...even uncles grandpas....etc.

study's show that fmaily members are more likely to molewst children.

isnt this terrible.
Posted 16 Feb 2005

Ashii says
i didnt take u wrong jia,,, just tried to understand it,,
aur mera khyal mujhe samajh aa gai k aap kya kehna chahti hein,,

AGREE dolly...

burai brothels or prost mei nahi hai (it doeesnt mean they r 'clean'),, they r just consequence of that evil present in our society,,
agar yeh log reason hein to phir rape/child abusing k case itne kyun hote hein,,, i know this issue s been hidden for so long,,, im not saying k yeh pb sirf pak ka hai,, it happens all over the world,,, par hamare han no one talks abt it,,, child kidnapping cases kitne hote hein hamare han,, does anyone know woh bache kahan jate hein,, ohh yeh bheek mangwana and bla bla,, but is that the only reason ??????
little kids abused by their fam members,, teachers, molvis....
now dont say k galti bachon ki hai,,,
duhhhhhhh
Posted 17 Feb 2005

Ashii says
ZEESHANAHMED said:


SALL, Jia kay comments ka main nay answer dya tha, aur kaha tha kay ye reasoning ghalat hai, chalain aap hi bata dain kay wife kis liye hoti hai? kia yeh apni khahish poori karnay ka sahi tareeka nahi hai? ya yeh kay wife milna impossible hai, aur yeh baat tu unhoon nay bhi likhi hai kay yeh sirf western perspective hai, then how can it be true for us, the MUSLIMS?


Z dear,,
yeh baat to hum sab ko pata hai,, par dil se kitne log yeh baat mante hein aur iss pe amal karte hein ??
seee abhi aap ne khud MUSLIMS ki baat kar di,,,
can u question all MUSLIMS visiting these places k wives kiss liye hoti hein ??



ZEESHANAHMED said:

yeh unkay muashray ki kharabi hai jisay prostitution ko drust karar deney kay liye daleel nahi banaya ja sakta. aap nay shaid meri post nahi parhi, aur parhi hai tu whats your opinion??


prost ko durust koi bhi nahi kehta,,,, even western countries mei isse galt hi kaha jata hai,,
par agar sab isse galt mante hein to Y DOES IT EXIST ??

do u know that "business" s been regulated under muslim gvts ??
aur iss ka reason yeh nahi tha k muslims emprors prost ko theek mante the,, only reason is they were unable to control or finish it,,,
the question is how can u regulate a business which in unlawful ?? it d b exactly like regulating smuggling or drug trafficking
but it did happen,,, sachi baat hai mujhe abhi filhal ka nahi pata k pak mei kya system hai,, they need a liscence or something ya phir how does it work,,,

Tell me honestly wot is the solution ??
the only alternative to bann pros completly wd b to offer them marriage,, eh ??
well,,, it s already been tried by rulers (Aurangzeib, Tughlak and even zia),,, butu know wot happend ???
all those PIOUS RELIGIOUS LEADERS and anti-prostitution dignitaries jo fatwa lagane mei aur lapidation ki saza sunane mei sab se aage hote hein none of them was willing to marry a prost
(u can check PMLA reports,,,, dont ask me where to find it)


hmmm,,, if u want to condemn the evil,, try to find out first where is it.......



areyy yar,,, me aap se larai nahi kar rahi hu,,, par aisi soch drives me madddddddddddddd,,
unfortunaltely zyada log aise hi sochte hein,, that s y i feel my place is not btw these ppl,, par me kya karu,, i ve nowhere to go
Posted 17 Feb 2005

Blue Oasis says
SALL said:

i didnt take u wrong jia,,, just tried to understand it,,
aur mera khyal mujhe samajh aa gai k aap kya kehna chahti hein,,

AGREE dolly...

burai brothels or prost mei nahi hai (it doeesnt mean they r 'clean'),, they r just consequence of that evil present in our society,,
agar yeh log reason hein to phir rape/child abusing k case itne kyun hote hein,,, i know this issue s been hidden for so long,,, im not saying k yeh pb sirf pak ka hai,, it happens all over the world,,, par hamare han no one talks abt it,,, child kidnapping cases kitne hote hein hamare han,, does anyone know woh bache kahan jate hein,, ohh yeh bheek mangwana and bla bla,, but is that the only reason ??????
little kids abused by their fam members,, teachers, molvis....
now dont say k galti bachon ki hai,,,
duhhhhhhh



Oh no prob SALL I should have made my point clearer to begin with

Of course galti bachon ki nahi hai! Children are innocent it's the sadist in society who are to blame. So much happens on the streets to children who have no protection, and in the home to unfortunatly. Did you know 1 in every 4 women has been molested at one point in her life or another! And it is 1 in every 8 males, but they predict the figure is higher because men don't speak up like women do.

Dolly is right, mothers should never trust their children alone with anyone. Better safe than sorry.
Posted 17 Feb 2005

Badal says
So, iss baat par tu sabhi agree hain kay yeh at least burai tu hai, aur is ki kya kya soortain hain yeh bhi sabhi jantay hain, par masla tu is ka solution hai, aur western countries nay "solution" yeh nikala hai kay isay allow kar dia jaey (in brothels), so what do think about the countries where muslims are in majority? kia unhain bhi isi tarah allow kar dena chahiye? kia Islam humain is baat ki ijazat deta hai, koi kanoon hai aisa koi Islam main kay agar burai rukti nahi tu isay kuch area tak mehdood kar kay allow kar dya jaey? I need answer from all of you.
Posted 17 Feb 2005

Blue Oasis says
ZEESHANAHMED said:

So, iss baat par tu sabhi agree hain kay yeh at least burai tu hai, aur is ki kya kya soortain hain yeh bhi sabhi jantay hain, par masla tu is ka solution hai, aur western countries nay "solution" yeh nikala hai kay isay allow kar dia jaey (in brothels), so what do think about the countries where muslims are in majority? kia unhain bhi isi tarah allow kar dena chahiye? kia Islam humain is baat ki ijazat deta hai, koi kanoon hai aisa koi Islam main kay agar burai rukti nahi tu isay kuch area tak mehdood kar kay allow kar dya jaey? I need answer from all of you.



I think there is no one answer Zeeshan. The sad thing is that prostitution can not be stopped anymore than lying can stop. Laws can be made to make the trade illegal and of course it is haram, but how can you stop a women from going up to a man and selling her body, especially if that is done in privacy where the authorities won't know?

It's just like underage sex, it's illegal, but it happens a lot and very few are prosecuted, because hardly anyone finds out.

I've heard that Pakistan has brothels as well, they're just not talked about. I've also read that these Lollywood film stars can be called for a night for the right price by various politicians.
Posted 17 Feb 2005

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