What do u think and know?

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djeedja lotta

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What do u think? Give references if possible.
Posted 29 Apr 2005

Ashii says
welllllll..

1/ Ulema --> Prophet, his companions, Sufiz
2/ Talwar --> im not sure abt the rest but u must have heard abt Mehmood Ghaznavi
3/ Sufi --> well mere nazdeek sufi ka aalim aur aalim ka sufi hona zaroori hai
4/ TV/Movie ??? samajh nahi i
Posted 30 Apr 2005

SALL said:

welllllll..
1/ Ulema --> Prophet, his companions, Sufiz
2/ Talwar --> im not sure abt the rest but u must have heard abt Mehmood Ghaznavi
3/ Sufi --> well mere nazdeek sufi ka aalim aur aalim ka sufi hona zaroori hai
4/ TV/Movie ??? samajh nahi i



i have heard about ghaznavi, woh kya islam le kar aaya tha? or was his attack just a political strategy?

islam par sabb se barra ilzam yehi lagaya jata hai ke talwar ke saath phaila hai. is it true? muhammad bin qasim, mahmood ghaznavi, phir khud Aanhazrat Muhammad (s.a.w.w) ki ghazwaat.

does it mean, islam hasnt any intellectuall power? prove it.
Re-Editied by D.L.djeedja lotta38475.5866550926
Posted 30 Apr 2005

Ashii says
dear DL keep in mind that LOGON or HISTORIANS k liye mehmood ghaznawi muslim tha,,, he killed loads of non muslims and made whole vllages slaves (u must know the history of kanoj --> gipsies)
reason kuch bhi ho kya fark parta hai,, exactly like talibans now,,, who cares k unn k motivation kya hein,, ppl just call them MUSLIMS

jahan tak Prophet aur unnn k companions ki baat hai,, may b that was the only periode where REAL JIHAD existed,, no one was forced to convert,,, non muslims beshak jaziya pay karte the par unn k saath na insafi nahi hoti thi
waise bhi jihad sirf muslims and non-muslims k beech nahi hota,, its between good an evil,, "holy war" ka matlab logon ko convert karna nahi hota,,

as long as it concerns 3 options (convert, jizya, fight)i ve heard abt it,,, but yeh option HAKIM k liye hote the logon k liye nahi
i may b wrong ?¿


hmmm,, waise aik baat to hai... jo log zabardasti muslims hue hon unn kaumon ki halat kuch aisi hi hoti hai jaisi k abhi hai,, ehemmmm
khair yeh to mazak tha......


come on yar,,, western ppl has nothing to say to muslims,, they better have a look at their own history first
christianity is a religion based on LOVE,, Hazrat Essa ki story kaun nahi janta,,, sab Khuda k bande hein, apne dushman tak k saath bura na karo, koi aik gaal pe mare to doosra gaal agay kar do
iss sab ko samne rakhte hue the way christians spread their religion ???????????   it sounds unbelievable
all that violance not only toward muslims but jews,,,

and jews,,,,,,,, pehle kuch kiya ho unhon ne ya nahi but now since 50+ yrs wot they r doing (palestine) woh to kissi se chupa nahi hai
and all that at the name of their religion,,, how silly coz following real jewish believes everyone knows that jews haev no right to declare their own state,, they must wait for MESSIH who ll bring their kingdom back


any religion spread thru power seems normal to ur eyes,,,,,,, ehhh i cant digest it
dont forget one thing.. from the moment u do something at the name of GOD,,,, u shd act like a "abd ullah" and not human
Posted 01 May 2005

@SALL

hmmm i am sorry to say, but my second posting is edited by someone else. i did not write the whole passage over there. kissi ne garr barr ki hai.

i think, it was an admin or moderator. so buhat hi third class harkat hai, janab. and i am not sorry to say this.
sharam karo besharmo.
is this normal here?
Posted 02 May 2005

Bazigaar says
djeedja lotta said:

@SALL

hmmm i am sorry to say, but my second posting is edited by someone else. i did not write the whole passage over there. kissi ne garr barr ki hai.

i think, it was an admin or moderator. so buhat hi third class harkat hai, janab. and i am not sorry to say this.
sharam karo besharmo.
is this normal here?



i agree with u..jis ke bhi harkat hae...very childish kher...ignore it dj-dude...
Posted 03 May 2005

think, it was an admin or moderator. so buhat hi third class harkat hai, janab. and i am not sorry to say this---> dont blame anyone shahrukh khan38475.1635069444
Posted 03 May 2005

Bazigaar says
well..yaar shahrukh...us ke posts kiis jin ne to edit nahi ke naa....koi mod ya admin he ker sakta hae na
Posted 03 May 2005

okeshahrukh khan38475.1716898148
Posted 03 May 2005

OK main ne jitna likha tha phir likh diya hai.

now back to the discussion.
what was jizya? wasent it just like taxes today?

what about ppl, who converted? they didnt need to pay any taxes? unn ko kya paisay milte the?



Posted 03 May 2005

Bazigaar says
yar mae ne bhi reply kiya thaa per us wo edit ke bajaye saray ka sara he delete ho chuka hae aur mae phir se reply kernay ke abhi himmat nahi pa raha....phir reply keroon ga but in short..islam was spread by 1st three options...4th one is kindda right too, but so far it has spread by 1st three...

now it;s age of TV...so chances r tv ke though phelay ga..but then again...that would also be cuz of ulma and soofi folks etc...cuz TV per wohi islam ka message dooor door bethay logoon ko den gae na..TV khud to nahi islam phela sakta na
Posted 04 May 2005

Ashii says

pehle kya likha tha aur ab kya likh diya
??
DL,, wake up




""what about ppl, who converted? they didnt need to pay any taxes? unn ko kya paisay milte the?""
they pay zakaat..... to baat aik hi ho jati hai
muslims zakat dein,, aur non muslims jizya (donno abt % and conditions)
i think its exactly the same thing as todays taxes...
Posted 09 May 2005

Ashii says
i was reading a book today, lemme type it here

Ilm k aik daavedar ne aik fakeer se pucha : tum ne yeh neela libas kyun pehen rakha hai
uss ne kaha : Nabi paak (saw) ne 3 cheezein chori hein,, Faqr, Ilm aur Talvaar...
talvaar badshahon ne le li magar isse gair-mozu jaga isemal kiya
ilm ulema ne le liya, magar sirf zahir ka ilm parhte parhaate rahe
faqr fuqra ne ikhteyar kiya magar unhon ne isse dolatmandi ka zariya bana liya
me ne inn teeno k gham mei yeh libaas pehna hai..



well iss ka aap k topic se direct taluk shayad nahi hai,, but just to tell that talvar (sipahi), ilm (ulema) aur fqr (sufi) teeno hi tareeke durust hein agar niyyat theek ho to

waise ur 4th option (media) ilm ki hi shakal hai
Posted 09 May 2005

Badal says
None of these.

I think Islam spread through its truth, its teachings, and the character of its true followers.
Posted 14 May 2005

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