MUSIC ROH KI GHIZAAA..

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javad

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Asslam U Alaikum

friends kesay hain aap
ye sentnce to aapnay aksar hi sunha hoga k
music roh ki ghizaa hai,,,
Hum muslims k liye esii baat karna to wabal k siwa kuch nahi hum khud Allah k azab ko dawat detay hain
ROH jo k Allah k amar hai usko music say jortay hain,,,

music jo k sirf aur sirf jahnnam main lay jany ka zaria hai,,
Hum sab ko khayal karna chahyee ,,,

Posted 31 May 2006

Rapunzel says
hmm sahih baat ki hai bhai
Posted 31 May 2006

veer_zaara says
musick roh ke gheza nahi balke roh ka saza hain
Posted 31 May 2006

Rapunzel says
rite dear


this is our stupid thinking that musis is the food of soul
Posted 31 May 2006

jiski rooh hi shaitani ho uski ghizaa bhi shaitani hi hogi....
Posted 31 May 2006

veer_zaara says
rapunzel said:

rite dear


this is our stupid thinking that musis is the food of soul




Posted 31 May 2006

Ashii says
hmmmmmm..
first thing, do u really think music haram hai ???
wot do u mean by music ?? musical instruments or just "being in rythm" ??

mere liye harr woh cheez jo rythm mei ho,, kano ko bhali lagti ho,, music hai
Quranic verses, tilawat, azaan.. have u ever noticed k yeh kitne 'musical' hein
quran pak parhne se dil ko sukoon milta hai,, par bohot ache qari ki tilawat sunne mei jo baat hoti hai how do u explain it ??


ab yeh to hum pe depend karta hai na k apni ruuh ko konse music ki adat dalein
music haram hai,,,,,,,,,,, hmmm its debateable
Posted 03 Jun 2006

aaj kal tu naat ke peeche music chal raha hota hai
Posted 03 Jun 2006

its not rite....
naat is naat... it shouldnt be like song...
Posted 03 Jun 2006

BadShaH1 says
yar iv got addiction of music.
Posted 06 Jun 2006

Rooh belongs to Allah and its pleasure is in the rememberance of Allah. This is what will return to Allah as bodies will become dust. Music is the food for nafs - desires.

Sall, you always bring interesting twist to things. Remember well, Quran is not poetry neither it is prose. Using a good voice to recite it doesn't mean it becomes musical. It is not permissible to sing Quran. For those, who only enjoy the voice of the recitor and the rythmic combination of Ayat, its a pleasure for their ears but not their soul, because it didn't reach that far as they don't understand a word of it. For those who really do understand the message in it, they can't check tears in their eyes for the love and fear of their Lord.
Posted 07 Jun 2006

Ashii says
i never said Quran is poetry

tell me the difference between "kirat se parhna (naat or tilawat)"
and
a song (without music)


totaly agree to "its a pleasure for their ears but not their soul"
but its same with those who read it without understanding



oupsss,,, getting latttttttttttttttte
Posted 07 Jun 2006

I don't really know much about music. Singing has to follow a tune, a rhythm, a beat, and a voice that can match all of the above. Quran has its own rule of recitation and it cannot be tuned to fit a rhythm. The tilawah of Quran is supporsed to in between mere reading and singing - that is the ettiquete of reading Quran.

agreed to a great extent with, "but its same with those who read it without understanding". For those who don't have any means to get that education, they may be exempted or those who are attempting to learn it.
Posted 07 Jun 2006

Ashii says
hannn to hum keh rahe the
k
.......

we need a tune, rythm, and voice for a naat too
recitation and kiraat is not the same thing
and wot abt azaan
y dont we just "read" it

yar im not trying to compare songs with tilawat / naat
i just wanted to make clear WOT IS HARAM IN MUSIC
musical instruments
or rythme
or poetry
or loud voice
????

Posted 08 Jun 2006

you know what!
none of it, so long as no part of it crosses steps over the line of halal and wanders in the haram. It however brings one closer to it. Most of it today is in that category for one reason or another.

Topic here is not if music is halal or haram, rather it pertains to whether it is a source of comfort to the soul?
Posted 09 Jun 2006

Ashii says
oups u r right,, i shd stick to the topic
but few ppl here talked abt sheitan, jahanum etc
so i wanted to make it clear


hmm,, source of comfort.......
well,,, yes and no
have u ever listend to a nice ghazal or mozart or violon or bansuri (not talking abt himesh songs offcourse,, err i hate him)
im not saying it gives more 'sukoon' than Quran but there is infact something that i cant explain
whether things stay in limit there isnt anything shetani in music
Posted 09 Jun 2006

javad says
Sall
Dekho har baat par debate karna to theek nahi naat jo musical instruments k saath ajkal chalti hain just nothing iskaa gunnahh hai,
aur Hamary Nabi Hazrat Muhammad Salallah ale wa aliy he wasalm boott aur musical instruments tornay ko,,
aik chez tum note karo to har gana main shirkiaa sentenc hotay hain,,, and u know SHIRKK nothing to explain,
baki esi poetry, musical instrument, dono haram hain,

aur dekho aik chez hamary liye kafi honi chahye being a muslim k Hamary nabi nay kaha hai k MUSIC HARAM HAI ISAY SUNAA GUNNAH HAI AUR MUSIC SUNAY WALON K EARS MAIN GARAM SEESAAA DALA JAIGA,,, aur bhi bohat behanak punishments hain. i think this is not debatable for a muslim.
jahan tak baat azaan ki hai to azan kia hai iska matlab pata hai..? AZAN DAWAT HAI ALLAH KI EBADAT KI
aur Harzrat Bilal Razitala unh jesi azan kisi nay b nahi de jo itni surreli hoti thi k parindy bhi ruk jaty thay,
Aur Quran ki tilawat esay bandy say karwai jati hai jiski awaz achi ho takey log usay sunyyy aur samjhnay ki koshish karen,
Quran ko to ham samjhty hi nahi warna hum har sans lenay say pahly bhi sochen

soryy main to boht late aya








SALL said:

hannn to hum keh rahe the
k
.......

we need a tune, rythm, and voice for a naat too
recitation and kiraat is not the same thing
and wot abt azaan
y dont we just "read" it

yar im not trying to compare songs with tilawat / naat
i just wanted to make clear WOT IS HARAM IN MUSIC
musical instruments
or rythme
or poetry
or loud voice
????

Posted 20 Jun 2006

Ashii says
debate nahi kar rahi hu
sirf woh bata rahi hu jo janti hu aur jo samajhti hu
is it wrong to ask questions or to give its own opinion
koi fatwa nahi diya me ne,,, apna khyal bataya hai


me ne bhi parha aur suna hai k music haram hai
but yeh bhi parha hai k songs without music is halal if its words are halal
yeh bhi parha hai k khushi k moke pe "duff" bajane ki bhi ijazat hai... sirf itni baat samajhna chah rahi hu k musical instruments ka taluk wakt aur culture se hota hai,, duff is no more in use now a day so can it b replaced by something else,,
a piano or a violon may b ??

one more thing
agar music haram hai to qawali kaise jaiz hai,, i know bohot se log isse bhi galt kehte hein,, and im one of them who things k qawali sunne se pehle uss ko matlab aur maksad ko samajhna zaroori hai,, agar time pass liye suno ge to its infact wrong
wot abt molana rumi, wot abt chishtiya silsila
unn ko maane waale ulti seedhi harkatein karein doesnt mean k woh khud bhi galt the


me ne kab kaha k gana sunna jsawab ka kaam hai ??
sirf itna keh rahi hu k agar WORDS galt hein to GANA to galt na hua na
me ne AZAAN ka iss liye kaha k agar LAI mei gana mana hai to azan/tilawat sirf parhi kyun nahi jati,, mujhe bhi apta hai k azaan Allah ki taraf bulane ki dawat hai
but i asked a simple question withou saying that music SAWAB kamane ka zariya hai



dont b toooo late
hum ko bhool jata hai k kya baat ho rahi thi
Posted 22 Jun 2006

asmarani says
jee very good sahi kaha app ne
Posted 25 Jun 2006

javad says
SALLOOOOOOO SIS
TUSI SAHI KAH RAHO HO ABBB...

BAKI BHAI QAWALI YA NAAT AGAR MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS K SAATH GAYE JAI TO ITS NOT GOOD,
DUFF KI IJAZAT HAI,, YES BUT ONLY DUFF U CANT REPLACE ANY THING ON YOUR OWN,
Baki Sufiana kalaam jismain shirkk na ho halal hai aur dekho, gana kia hai har gany ki base kia hoti hai aik larka kisi gher larki k liye payar ke bol bolta hai ya larki esa karti hai,, and u know its totaly haram k koi larka larki shadi say pahly esaaa karen .
aur dekho insan jo sunta hai uska asar to hota hai abb ajkal jo hamara haal hai uski waja yehi hai k hum Islam say dooor hogaye hain,
Islam ki samjh hoti to aaj hum yahan behas na karty balky amal kary and im sure k hum amal to koi nahi kar rahy,, ye main apni baat kar rha hon

Posted 25 Jun 2006

Ashii says
javad said:

BAKI BHAI QAWALI YA NAAT AGAR MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS K SAATH GAYE JAI TO ITS NOT GOOD,
DUFF KI IJAZAT HAI,, YES BUT ONLY DUFF U CANT REPLACE ANY THING ON YOUR OWN,


iss baat ka matlab samajh nahi aaya

musical instruments mana hein, but duff nahi,,,
y cant we replace it ???
as i said yeh cheezein to culture aur time k saath change hoti rehti hein,, hamare han ik-taara hota hai europe mei guitar,, no one can say dono mei BEHTAR kya hai
its like saying that camel pe safar karna ja'iz hai aur car pe nahi.. or khujoor khana ja'iz hai aur aam nahi

duff ka taluk MAZHAB se nahi hai, so y cant it be replaced ??????


i agree to wot u said abt sufiana kalaam,, shairi mei shirk nahi hona chaiye,,, but those who dont go deeper in sufiana kalam's shairi they ll understand it as shirk
"Rab milya menu ranjhan na mileya
te Rab ranjhan jaisa naahi"
wot abt Rumi's shairi ???

and wot wld u say abt abida parveen singin bulleh shah's or ameer khusrow's kalam
a woman, singing, with musical instruments + sufiana kalam having double meanings


me khamkha ki behes nahi kar rahi
sirf itna samajhna chahti hu k aik damm itna strict fatwe dene ka reason kya hai,, i want to know in detail
answer plz and dont mind
Posted 26 Jun 2006

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