Abortion - Right or Wrong?

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What are your thoughts on this subject?
Posted 25 Jan 2008

OK, your majesty!!
Posted 20 Feb 2008

Right path says
ok qv jiii
Posted 20 Feb 2008

PLATONIC says
~Nilam PaRi~ said:

well if da baby is a result of rape den not da bandi's fault lekin phr b aborting it is not da way out....one nite stand tu jab bandi ko apni izzat ka khud khayal nai tu she wont mind aborting da kid...but as it is haraam in islam haraam hai n who ever does it without a rite n good reason tu gunah ka murtakib ho raha hai




Interesting
Posted 02 Mar 2008

Some societies ban abortion almost completely while others permit it in certain cases.

Such societies usually lay down a maximum age after which the foetus must not be aborted, regardless of the circumstances.

At various times some of the following have been allowed in some societies:

Abortion for the sake of the mother's health
including her mental health

Abortion where a pregnancy is the result of a crime
such as crimes like rape, incest, or child abuse

Abortion where the child of the pregnancy would have an 'unacceptable quality of life' such as cases where the child would have:

serious physical handicaps,

serious genetic problems,

serious mental defects
abortion for social reasons,including: poverty;


The mother unable to cope with a child (or another child),

The mother being too young to cope with a child
abortion as a matter of government policy

as a way of regulating population size

as a way of regulating groups within a population

as a way of improving the population

Most opponents of abortion agree that abortion for the sake of the mother's health can be morally acceptable if there is a real risk of serious damage to the mother.

Abortion for social reasons is usually least acceptable to opponents.

Posted 04 Mar 2008

A substitute for contraception
Some methods of contraception in fact amount to abortion during the very earliest stage of a pregnancy. The section below only deals with abortion after the first week of pregnancy.

Some societies have used abortion as a substitute for adequate provision of contraception, or quite deliberately to regulate population size.

In 1965, a United Nations Conference on World Population in Belgrade said that abortion was the chief method of birth control in the world at that time.

Most western supporters of abortion rights do not support abortions carried out for such reasons - or at least not as explicit public policy.

However some doctors do argue that abortion should be part of a country's contraception policy.

They say that a society that believes that people should plan their families must allow women to end unwanted pregnancies, in order to deal with failures of birth control.

Abortion and disability
Some ethicists dislike the argument that abortion should be allowed where the baby, if born, would suffer from physical or mental handicaps.

They say that allowing this as a reason for abortion is offensive to disabled people; because it implies that they, and their lives, are less worthwhile than the lives of 'normal' people.

And some people with disabilities that could be put forward as grounds for abortion argue that they would much rather be alive than have been killed in the womb.

Section 1(1)d of the UK's 1967 Abortion Act allowed termination of a pregnancy at any time if there was a significant risk of the baby being born seriously disabled. Under other circumstances abortion has to take place during the first 6 months of the pregnancy.

The Disability Rights Commission criticised this section in the following words:

The Section is offensive to many people; it reinforces negative stereotypes of disability and there is substantial support for the view that to permit terminations at any point during a pregnancy on the ground of risk of disability, while time limits apply to other grounds set out in the Abortion Act, is incompatible with valuing disability and non-disability equally.

In common with a wide range of disability and other organisations, the DRC believes the context in which parents choose whether to have a child should be one in which disability and non-disability are valued equally.
Other ethicists argue that whether or not people with disabilities are upset by this argument is irrelevant.

They say that the argument is wrong because it attacks the principle that all human beings are equally valuable in their own ways. They say that it is just plain wrong to say that one life is less valuable than another.

Other, pro-life, campaigners have objected to this argument on the grounds that it permits eugenic abortion - abortion to eliminate disabling genes from the human race.

Posted 04 Mar 2008

Abortion and eugenics
Abortion has been used in the past to stop the growth of population groups, or racial groups regarded as genetically 'inferior'. This is now regarded as a most serious breach of human rights and a criminal act.

Abortion has been used in the past to stop people with various genetic defects from having children. When this is done as a matter of public policy it is now regarded as a most serious breach of human rights and a criminal act.

Abortion and gender selection
In some countries, particularly India there is a major problem with 'female foeticide' - deliberately aborting foetuses that would be born as girls.

For sociological and economic reasons parents in some cultures prefer to have boy babies. When parents can discover the gender of the foetus in advance, they sometimes request the termination of a pregnancy solely because the foetus is female.

While selective abortion for gender preference is illegal in India, the low proportion of female births relative to male births, together with other evidence, makes it certain that female foeticide is practised on a large scale.

Posted 04 Mar 2008

The last three posts of mine are of what I have read on the net about this sensitive topic.
Posted 04 Mar 2008

This is another artical:

Late abortions reasons revealed

Many women failed to realise they were pregnant in the early weeks
Many women who have late abortions had not realised they were pregnant, a study has found.
Southampton and Kent University experts asked 883 women why they had abortions in the second trimester - between 13 and 24 weeks into the pregnancy.

The researchers say women need more information so that they realise they are pregnant much earlier.

But anti-abortion campaigners said the rights of the unborn child should take precedence.

The most significant finding in this study is that 41% of women indicated that the delay was due to indecision

Alive and Kicking spokeswoman

Around 11% of abortions take place after the 12th week of pregnancy. Just over 1% of those occur after a woman is 20 weeks pregnant.

Most abortions are permitted until the 24th week, although they can be carried out later if doctors believe the baby has a severe disability or if the mother's life is at risk

The time-limit for abortions is proving increasingly controversial, as medical advances mean even very premature babies can survive.

About 190,000 abortions take place in England and Wales annually.

Concerns

This study, which allowed women to give more than one reason for opting to have a late abortion, found women had not realised they were pregnant for two main reasons.

Just under 40% of women had not realised they were pregnant because they had irregular periods.

Another 31% had been using contraception, and so had not thought they could be pregnant.

And 41% said they had taken time to come to a decision about whether or not to have an abortion, delaying the procedure.

But 30% had simply not done anything once they suspected they were pregnant, with many waiting weeks to do a pregnancy test.

Half of those questioned were at least seven weeks pregnant when they were aware of their situation - a quarter were over 11 weeks pregnant.

Forty-two per cent said they had waited more than two weeks between requesting and having an abortion, and 23% waited more than three weeks, the maximum recommended by the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists.

And many women said they had concerns about what was actually involved in an abortion, which had led to them waiting before going ahead.

Dr Ellie Lee, senior lecturer in social policy at the University of Kent, who worked on the study, said: "There has been a great deal of media and public debate recently about second-trimester abortions, especially those performed at 20 weeks and over.

Dr Lee, who is also a member of the Pro-Choice Forum, said: "What has been lacking in this discussion so far is an understanding of why women have abortions at this stage.

"This means few have sought to properly address how women can be helped to terminate pregnancies earlier, and how policy makers and service providers might best think about the relevant issues for those women who seek second-trimester abortion."

She added: "If you were to reduce the upper time limit on abortion, it's arguable some women may feel rushed into a decision and may go ahead with an abortion when they would otherwise have had the baby."

Lack of knowledge

Ann Furedi, chief executive of British Pregnancy Advisory Service, which provides abortions, said: "'We frequently see women who did not know enough about their own bodies to recognise the early symptoms of pregnancy, especially if they have irregular or continuing periods, as many women do."

But a spokeswoman for the anti-abortion Alive and Kicking Campaign said: "The most significant finding in this study is that 41% of women indicated that the delay was due to indecision.

"We believe that the rights of the unborn child should take precedence over the uncertainty of the mother, an opinion that is shared by the vast majority of the public who are particularly concerned about late abortion."

Posted 04 Mar 2008



"Abortions 'crisis' threatens NHS"

Many doctors are opting out of providing abortions
An increasing number of doctors are refusing to carry out abortions, leading to a crisis in NHS services, experts have warned.
The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists says there has been a big rise in the number of doctors who are "conscientious objectors".

About 190,000 abortions take place in England and Wales annually.

The NHS pays for four out of five - but half of these are carried out by private sector providers.

If abortions are not available safely, women will turn to unsafe ways of procuring abortion

Kate Guthrie, RCOG

This is double the proportion performed in the private sector 10 years ago.

Abortion is legal in Britain up to 24 weeks, however it can occur later if doctors believe the baby has a severe disability or if the mother's life is at risk.

Experts say the decline in the number of NHS doctors willing to perform abortions has also declined because they are able to "pick and choose" the areas they train and specialise in - and very few opt to carry out terminations when they can choose other areas such as fertility medicine.

'Essential service'

Kate Guthrie, head of abortion services in Hull and a spokeswoman for the RCOG, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We have always had conscientious objectors, but more doctors now are just wanting to something different and don't see abortion care as attractive."

But she said it was a necessary service.

"The Abortion Act came in because women were prepared to do anything rather than have unplanned pregnancies. Nothing has changed.

We should be working together to make abortions rare

Josephine Quintavalle, Alive and Kicking

"If abortions are not available safely, women will turn to unsafe ways of procuring abortion."

She suggested a solution to the current crisis might be to increase the involvement of nurses in providing abortion.

Ann Furedi, of the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, which is a leading provider of abortions, said: "It is increasingly difficult to recruit doctors to abortion services.

"It is the case, that within five to seven years, a woman's ability to get an abortion will be more shaped by the service's ability to provide them rather than the state of the law."

She said doctors failed to realise how essential the abortion service was.

'Sensitivity'

But Josephine Quintavalle, of the anti-abortion group Alive and Kicking, said: "We welcome this development.

"There is a sensitivity in this country that there are too many abortions, and this obviously will impact on doctors.

"We should be working together to make abortions rare."

And Julia Millington of the ProLife Alliance said: "We have been hearing for some time now that young doctors, in particular, do not want to work in this field.

"Those choosing to go into medicine presumably do so because they want to cure sickness and disease not end the lives of innocent human beings."

The Department of Health said it was aware a minority of NHS doctors chose to opt out of providing abortions, but added this did not prevent women obtaining a termination.

It added that a "stable" number of abortions was being performed each year, and that the number of terminations performed before the 10th week of pregnancy had increased from 51% in 2002 to 64%.


Posted 04 Mar 2008

    

'Still hard to discuss abortion'

Ms Elliott already had four children when she fell pregnant
Most people are in favour of a woman's right to choose whether to have an abortion, according to a survey.
But it is still not an easy subject to talk about, says one woman.

Cath Elliott was 32 years old and already had four children when she fell pregnant for a fifth time in 1997.

"We didn't expect it," she said.

"All our children were planned and then to find out we were pregnant came as a complete surprise.

"I discussed it with my husband and we just decided it was not feasible to have another child and so we decided to have an abortion."

When I had an abortion I hardly told anyone. It is not the sort of thing that is discussed

Cath Elliott:
Most 'favour abortion right'

But Ms Elliott, now 41, from Norwich, added: "We found out a couple of weeks in, but did not have the abortion until 12 weeks. That was wrong.

"My GP in Milton Keynes, where I was living at the time, was not helpful at all. He kept saying he had lost my results and it took a long time until we were referred to hospital.


"Even though he didn't say it, it was clear he did not agree with abortion.

"We then found out that that hospital did not do abortions so had to be referred to an abortion provider. It should not have been so hard."

However, she now believes there is scope to relax the law so other won't have to go through what she did.

"There is the abortion pill which could be administered by nurses. Why should women who want abortions have to see a doctor at all when it is in the early stages?"

But Ms Elliott also acknowledges there is still a lot of stigma over abortion - despite the fact that one in three women will have one in their life time.

"When I had an abortion I hardly told anyone. It is not the sort of thing that is discussed. But when I did start mentioning it, I realised so many others had also had one.

"It was like this big secret that no one mentioned. I suppose the thing is, is that there is no middle ground - you are either strongly for or strong against."
Posted 04 Mar 2008



"Scans uncover secrets of the womb."

Baby 'walking' in the womb.

A new type of ultrasound scan has produced vivid pictures of a 12 week-old foetus "walking" in the womb.
The new images also show foetuses apparently yawning and rubbing their eyes.

The scans, pioneered by Professor Stuart Campbell at London's Create Health Clinic, are much more detailed than conventional ultrasound.

Professor Campbell has previously released images of unborn babies appearing to smile.

He has compiled a book of the images called Watch Me Grow.

Conventional ultrasound, usually offered to mothers at 12 and 20 weeks, produces 2D images of the developing foetus.

These are very useful for helping doctors to measure and assess the growth of the foetus, but convey very little information about behaviour.

Complex behaviour:
More pictures of developing foetuses

Professor Campbell has perfected a technique which not only produces detailed 3D images, but records foetal movement in real time.

He says his work has been able to show for the first time that the unborn baby engages in complex behaviour from an early stage of its development.

Professor Campbell told the BBC: "This is a new science for understanding and mapping out the behaviour of the baby.

"Maybe in the future it will help us understand and diagnose genetic disease, maybe even conditions like cerebral palsy which puzzles the medical profession as to why it occurs."

The images have shown:


From 12 weeks, unborn babies can stretch, kick and leap around the womb - well before the mother can feel movement

From 18 weeks, they can open their eyes although most doctors thought eyelids were fused until 26 weeks

From 26 weeks, they appear to exhibit a whole range of typical baby behaviour and moods, including scratching, smiling, crying, hiccuping, and sucking.
Until recently it was thought that smiling did not start until six weeks after birth.

An hour long session using the new technology, which is not yet available on the NHS, costs £275.

Posted 04 Mar 2008



Cot death babies 'dreaming of womb'


Babies should be put to sleep on their backs
Some babies who die from cot death may have stopped breathing because they are dreaming about being back in the womb, says a new theory.

A new book from Australian brain researcher George Cristos says that the dream may be so convincing that the baby's body functions revert to a pre-birth state.

In the womb, a baby is suspended in fluid and all its oxygen is supplied from the mother - there is no need for the baby to breathe.

However, cot death experts in the UK say they are "not aware" of any evidence pointing to this as a cause.

The rate of cot death has plummeted in many countries following the introduction of safety advice for parents, including the need to lay babies on their backs to sleep.

However, in approximately half of all sudden infant deaths, the cause of death has yet to be uncovered.

Early threat

The majority of cot deaths occur before the baby is six months old.

There are many theories as to why these babies may be vulnerable.

What could a baby dream about? Well, it could dream about its life in the womb

Dr George Christos, Curtin University, Australia
Dr Christos, a lecturer in mathematics and physics at Curtin University of Technology, who also has a research interest in learning and memory, puts forward his theory in a book, "Memory and Dreams: The Creative Human Mind".

He points to research in the US in which people reported stopping breathing when dreaming about swimming underwater.

He said that babies had up to eight hours of "rapid eye movement" sleep - the type associated with dreaming in adults - a night.

He writes: "What could a baby dream about? Well, it could dream about its life in the womb."

He said that his theory could help explain why babies who sleep face down might be at higher risk - because they would adopt a more "foetal" position which might be more likely to trigger dreams of their time in the womb.

No evidence

It may prove difficult to prove such a theory - little is known about the dreaming of infants, and some experts have suggested that they may not have dreams in the conventional sense in their earliest months.

There is no evidence to support this theory at all

Dr Robin Campbell, University of Stirling
Dr Robin Campbell, a lecturer in psychology from the University of Stirling, whose research interests include dreaming in children, described the theory as "potty".

He says that research suggests that classic "acting out" dreams - in which a person believes that he or she is at the centre of events - do not start to happen until years after birth.

He told BBC News Online: "You simply can't say that babies have dreams in the same way adults do.

"There is no evidence to support this theory at all."

Safety measures

The Foundation for the Study of Infant Deaths said that parents should take heed of existing, effective ways to lessen the risk.

A spokesman said: "No one knows what causes cot death.

"It is likely to be a number of factors coming together at a particularly vulnerable stage of a baby's development.

"FSID is not aware of any research evidence for a "dreams" theory.

"If parents want to follow research-proven advice on how to help reduce the chances of cot death, they should sleep babies on their back, don't smoke, and don't let them get too warm."


Posted 04 Mar 2008

SohniKuddi says
If you're not looking at it from a religious point of view, arguments against abortion suggest that it is murder, but the definition of murder is the unlawful killing of a human being by another. When is a foetus a human being? theres much debate on this subject, some stating that once fertilisation has taken place and others saying that after so many weeks a foetus is living.

I found arguments for and against in a womens issues site

Pro-Life
1. Since life begins at conception, abortion is akin to murder as it is the act of taking human life. Abortion is in direct defiance of the commonly accepted idea of the sanctity of human life
2. No civilized society permits one human to intentionally harm or take the life of another human without punishment, and abortion is no different.
3. Adoption is a viable alternative to abortion and accomplishes the same result. And with 1.5 million American families wanting to adopt a child, there is no such thing as an unwanted child.
4. An abortion can result in medical complications later in life; the risk of ectopic pregnancies doubles, and the chance of a miscarriage and Pelvic Inflammatory Disease also increases.
5. In the instance of rape and incest, proper medical care can ensure that a woman will not get pregnant. Abortion punishes the unborn child who committed no crime; instead, it is the perpetrator who should be punished.
6. Abortion should not be used as another form of contraception.
7. For women who demand complete control of their body, control should include preventing the risk of unwanted pregnancy through the responsible use of contraception or, if that is not possible, through abstinence.
8. Many Americans who pay taxes are opposed to abortion, therefore it’s morally wrong to use tax dollars to fund abortion.
9. Those who choose abortions are often minors or young women with insufficient life experience to understand fully what they are doing. Many have lifelong regrets afterwards.
10. Abortion frequently causes intense psychological pain and stress.


Pro-Choice
1. Nearly all abortions take place in the first trimester, when a fetus cannot exist independent of the mother. As it is attached by the placenta and umbilical cord, its health is dependent on her health, and cannot be regarded as a separate entity as it cannot exist outside her womb.
2. The concept of personhood is different from the concept of human life. Human life occurs at conception, but fertilized eggs used for in vitro fertilization are also human lives and those not implanted are routinely thrown away. Is this murder, and if not, then how is abortion murder?
3. Adoption is not an alternative to abortion, because it remains the woman’s choice whether or not to give her child up for adoption. Statistics show that very few women who give birth choose to give up their babies - less than 3% of white unmarried women and less than 2% of black unmarried women.
4. Abortion is a safe medical procedure. The vast majority of women – 88% - who have an abortion do so in their first trimester. Medical abortions have less than 0.5% risk of serious complications and do not affect a woman’s health or future ability to become pregnant or give birth.
5. In the case of rape or incest, forcing a woman made pregnant by this violent act would cause further psychological harm to the victim. Often a woman is too afraid to speak up or is unaware she is pregnant, thus the morning after pill is ineffective in these situations.
6. Abortion is not used as a form of contraception. Pregnancy can occur even with responsible contraceptive use. Only 8% of women who have abortions do not use any form of birth control, and that is due more to individual carelessness than to the availability of abortion.
7. The ability of a woman to have control of her body is critical to civil rights. Take away her reproductive choice and you step onto a slippery slope. If the government can force a woman to continue a pregnancy, what about forcing a woman to use contraception or undergo sterilization?
8. Taxpayer dollars are used to enable poor women to access the same medical services as rich women, and abortion is one of these services. Funding abortion is no different from funding a war in the Mideast. For those who are opposed, the place to express outrage is in the voting booth.
9. Teenagers who become mothers have grim prospects for the future. They are much more likely to leave of school; receive inadequate prenatal care; rely on public assistance to raise a child; develop health problems; or end up divorced.
10. Like any other difficult situation, abortion creates stress. Yet the American Psychological Association found that stress was greatest prior to an abortion, and that there was no evidence of post-abortion syndrome.
Posted 06 Mar 2008

And after reading all that, what's your personal opinion on the subject?
Posted 07 Mar 2008

MAA says
I dont tink abortion is an option. The child is alive. Its a human he or him. I saw my babay kicking and playing in my 11 weeks scan.it was d size of an apple but it was very much alive and playful..imagine killing dat??? its sick. If u dont want a baby - dont have s e x. simple.
Posted 11 Mar 2008

There's so many questions surrounding abortion & the answers never easy in any of the situations but for some they just don't think about it.

In one magazine I read about a woman who had two abortions & her reasons for it were that "I never took the pill on time!" which is a messed up reason for aborting two innocent lives just cos she couldn't keep her legs closed or take the pills on time.

If a person is going to do that then they should use adequate protection against getting pregnant.

When I read that magazine, I swear I wanted to throttle her, idiot acting like it was no big deal when there are couples out there who can't conceive naturally.

Tis a messed up world.
Posted 12 Mar 2008

sweetie says
MAA said:

I dont tink abortion is an option. The child is alive. Its a human he or him. I saw my babay kicking and playing in my 11 weeks scan.it was d size of an apple but it was very much alive and playful..imagine killing dat??? its sick. If u dont want a baby - dont have s e x. simple.




100% agreed
Posted 12 Mar 2008

MAA said:

I dont tink abortion is an option. The child is alive. Its a human he or him. I saw my babay kicking and playing in my 11 weeks scan.it was d size of an apple but it was very much alive and playful..imagine killing dat??? its sick. If u dont want a baby - dont have s e x. simple.



Good point.
Posted 14 Mar 2008

MAA says
tanx. There was a story a month back in the papers of a girl here in scotland who was around 23 years old, Sobia Wali, she secretly married a guy called usman something and got pregnant. When she was 5 months pregnant her parents took her to pak for her grandmothers funeral and tried to get her baby aborted. Sadly sobia bled to death and died on the operating table. Her husband usman says she was forced to have the abortion and her parents say that she died of an infection.

I think her parents tried to abort the baby due to their fake self respect blah blah. Now they gonna have to face Allah on qayamat when he burns them over and over for what they did. Sick and twisted ppl man.
Posted 16 Mar 2008

SohniKuddi says
MISS SCORPIO said:

And after reading all that, what's your personal opinion on the subject?



lol, was it too much to digest? it's by far more bitesize compared to your articles. My personal opinion is above the pasted article sweet Pea. In case you missed it:

SohniKuddi said:

If you're not looking at it from a religious point of view, arguments against abortion suggest that it is murder, but the definition of murder is the unlawful killing of a human being by another. When is a foetus a human being? theres much debate on this subject, some stating that once fertilisation has taken place and others saying that after so many weeks a foetus is living.



Explained: It's murder until it can be stated that the foetus is 'living'

about the rape issue Smooth D raised, thats debatable, quite true too. with a good enough reason abortion could be an option.

and the above is my opinnion
Posted 20 Mar 2008

MAA said:

tanx. There was a story a month back in the papers of a girl here in scotland who was around 23 years old, Sobia Wali, she secretly married a guy called usman something and got pregnant. When she was 5 months pregnant her parents took her to pak for her grandmothers funeral and tried to get her baby aborted. Sadly sobia bled to death and died on the operating table. Her husband usman says she was forced to have the abortion and her parents say that she died of an infection.

I think her parents tried to abort the baby due to their fake self respect blah blah. Now they gonna have to face Allah on qayamat when he burns them over and over for what they did. Sick and twisted ppl man.



How the hell did those idiots think that it's possible to abort an unborn foetus at 5 months of pregnancy?

What a pair of retards, how can there be honour in the killing of two innocent lives? Hmmm, those asses have blood on their hands for life, I hope this haunts them forever.
Posted 21 Mar 2008

SohniKuddi said:

MISS SCORPIO said:

And after reading all that, what's your personal opinion on the subject?



lol, was it too much to digest? it's by far more bitesize compared to your articles. My personal opinion is above the pasted article sweet Pea. In case you missed it:

SohniKuddi said:

If you're not looking at it from a religious point of view, arguments against abortion suggest that it is murder, but the definition of murder is the unlawful killing of a human being by another. When is a foetus a human being? theres much debate on this subject, some stating that once fertilisation has taken place and others saying that after so many weeks a foetus is living.



Explained: It's murder until it can be stated that the foetus is 'living'

about the rape issue Smooth D raised, thats debatable, quite true too. with a good enough reason abortion could be an option.

and the above is my opinnion


Your opinion was asked, not your sarcasm.
Posted 21 Mar 2008

SohniKuddi says
With one the other comes as standard............it's a package deal.
Posted 22 Mar 2008

olldman says
First four weeks debatable. Anytimr after that I am totaly against. Its a murder. Matters of life and death RIGHTS of the unborn child should take precedence.

Special circumtances? ?????
Posted 31 Mar 2008

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