Vande Matram

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Fatwa given by one of the Mullah in Agra and tell me being a Muslim should I embrace it or reject it.

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ReportFatwa against 54 Muslims for supporting Vande MataramMarch 10,

2004 15:50 ISTLast Updated: March 10, 2004 15:58 ISTFifty-four Muslims have been excommunicated and their marriages nullified by a priest in Agra after they reportedly expressed the view that singing Vande Mataram was not un-Islamic.While issuing the fatwa, Mufti Abdul Quddus Rumi declared that singing of the national song `would lead them (Muslims) to hell.`It was wrong for Muslims to sing Vande Mataram, he said, adding those advocating the song were deviating from the religion.Muslims who made statements in favour of the song should offer prayers to renew their faith in Islam and remarry according to Islamic rites, he said.Among those excommunicated were Mutwallis (heads) of the Loha Mandi and Shaheed Nagar mosques.Of the 54 who were excommunicated, 13 asked for forgiveness.


This is a news I read in Rediff



In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.



The song ‘Vande Mataram’ was composed by Bankim Chandra Chatterjee in 1876 and first appeared in his book called ‘Anandarnatha’ in 1882. When India as a nation got its independence from British rule in 1947, this song was a major contender for being chosen as the national anthem of the new independent India, but was rejected on the grounds that this song which glorifies and depicts India as mother Durga, a hindu goddess, would offend the believers of other faiths in secular India.   



Here is the complete translation of the song ‘Vande Mataram’:


Mother, I bow to thee!    
Rich with thy hurrying streams,    
bright with orchard gleams,    
Cool with thy winds of delight,    
Dark fields waving Mother of might,    
Mother free.    

Glory of moonlight dreams,    
Over thy branches and lordly streams,    
Clad in thy blossoming trees,    
Mother, giver of ease    
Laughing low and sweet!    
Mother I kiss thy feet,    
Speaker sweet and low!    
Mother, to thee I bow.    
    

Who hath said thou art weak in thy lands    
When the sword flesh out in the seventy million hands    
And seventy million voices roar    
Thy dreadful name from shore to shore?    
With many strengths who art mighty and stored,    
To thee I call Mother and Lord!    
Though who savest, arise and save!    
To her I cry who ever her foeman drove    
Back from plain and Sea    
And shook herself free.    
      

Thou art wisdom, thou art law,   
Thou art heart, our soul, our breath   
Though art love divine, the awe   
In our hearts that conquers death.   
Thine the strength that nerves the arm,   
Thine the beauty, thine the charm.   
Every image made divine   
In our temples is but thine.   



Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen,   
With her hands that strike and her   
swords of sheen,   
Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned,   
And the Muse a hundred-toned,   
Pure and perfect without peer,   
Mother lend thine ear,   
Rich with thy hurrying streams,   
Bright with thy orchard gleems,   
Dark of hue O candid-fair   

In thy soul, with jewelled hair   
And thy glorious smile divine,   
Lovilest of all earthly lands,   
Showering wealth from well-stored hands!   
Mother, mother mine!   
Mother sweet, I bow to thee,   
Mother great and free!


There is absolutely no doubt that the writer of this song depicts the nation as goddess Durga, and the recitation of this poem would be akin to a declaration of the abomination of ‘shirk’ in the sight of Allah Subhanah. That the terms and connotations of the poem are against the very basis of Islamic belief in Absolute Monotheism is never in question!



If a believer has recited this poem in ignorance, or has declared in ignorance that the recitation of this poem is not un-Islamic, etc. they must indeed seek sincere repentance from their Lord and Creator for their deeds done in ignorance; it is expected that they will find their Lord Forgiving and Merciful.


Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 39 Surah Zumur verses 53-54: (O Prophet) say: “O My servants who have wronged their own souls….Do not despair of Allah’s Mercy! Surely, Allah forgives all sins.   He indeed is the All Forgiving, All Merciful.   Return to your Lord and submit to Him before the scourge overtakes you; for then you may get no help from anywhere.”



Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 6 Surah Anaam verse 54: When those come to you who believe in Our Signs, say: "Peace be on you! Your Lord had inscribed for Himself (the rule of) Mercy. Verily if any of you did evil in ignorance, and thereafter repented and amended (his conduct), Lo! He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."



Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 3 Surah Ale Imraan verse 135-136: Allah likes such good people very much, who, if ever they commit a base deed or wrong their own soul by the commission of a sin, remember Allah instantly, and ask for forgiveness from Him for their shortcomings. For who, but Allah, can forgive sins?   (And Allah loves those) who do not knowingly persist in the wrongs they did.   These will be rewarded with forgiveness from Allah, and with Gardens beneath which canals flow, and they will reside therein forever!   How excellent is the reward of those who do good deeds!



Your Question: Take a look at the Fatwa given by one of the Mullah in Agra and tell me being a Muslim should I embrace it or reject it.


The poem ‘Vande Mataram’ is indeed against the very basis of Islamic belief, and the believers who sincerely believe in Allah and the Last Day must abstain from its recitation.



The real issue and your question here is whether this brother from Agra has a right to pronounce and ex-communicate some muslims who declared in ignorance that the singing of the poem is not un-Isla
Posted 02 Oct 2006

NB:

singing Vande Mataram could bring one very close to the edge if it doesn't push over it - Allah swt don't like believers come close to His sanctuary, and shirk is the most prohibited one.

Prophet saw said something similar to that shirk saghira (small elements of shirk) panetrate the aqida of believers in such subltle ways that one cannot recognize them. He wSA arned us against them and called us to protect it with strenghts and let it not be corrupted.
Posted 02 Oct 2006

new_beau says
Thanks for feed back SD...I meant the same...But Indian Muslims Consider it just a National Anthem..Thats Why I mentioned the details here...

A.R. Rehman, The Famous Musicion has sung it...
Posted 03 Oct 2006

Doctor Sam says
ye topic parh k mere zehn main bhi ye baat aayi thi k A R REHMAN ne bhi isko gaya hey...khair..

Ignorance can be dangerous.. i must say..
Posted 03 Oct 2006

BadShaH1 says

cant say anything abt it.
Posted 03 Oct 2006

new_beau says
y? d yu have any confusin
Posted 16 Oct 2006

kiran says
i do not know i think it is wrong to sing this for muslims
Posted 18 Oct 2006

javad says
for muslims any singing activty is haram.. not only this.
Posted 18 Oct 2006

new_beau says
its not matter of singing only...few muslims take this as National Anthem in inida..but they dont know the meaning....
Posted 18 Oct 2006

A R RAHMAN SUNG IT?
Posted 19 Oct 2006

danie says
javad said:

for muslims any singing activty is haram.. not only this.



Ya U R right. Lekin fir bhi hum log gaane pasand karte hei aur gungunate bhi hei.

Itne gaanon, Shair-shairiyon mei apne lover ke baare mei na jaane kya kya kaha jata hei. Us par kisi ko koi aitraz nahi hei lekin agar motherland ki shaan mei kuch kaha gaya to religen yaad aa gaya. Vaise India ka National aenthom ye poori poem nahin hei jo NB ne likhi hei. Iska kuch part hei. Poori ki poori aesi nahi hei.

Pakistan ke national Day ke mauke par aese gaane ammoman sunne ko mil jate hei jinme pakistan ko apne jaan, Iman aur bhi na jaane kya kya kaha jaata hei. Us par aap logon ko objection kyon nahi hota?

Apni Apni country sabko pyari hoti hei. Duniya ke sabhi mulk ke logon ke apni country ke baare mei aese emotions hote hei. Lekin iska matlab ye nahi hei ki aap usme apni taang unchi karke baith jaae. Agar kisi ko hinustan ka ye aenthom pasand nahi hei aur agar vo uski izzat hindustan mei rahkar nahi kar sakta to mere khayal se use hindustan chorr dena chahiye. Isme Indians ko koi objection nahin hei.
Posted 23 Oct 2006

danie
ye aik information hai india pakistan ka issue nahin
emotional na hon plz
aur topic say na hatain
Posted 23 Oct 2006

danie says
QUEEN VICTORIA said:

danie
ye aik information hai india pakistan ka issue nahin
emotional na hon plz
aur topic say na hatain



Ya I am sorry QV ji if it sounds harsh. Personally I respect Islam and Muslims but is ko bandook ki tarah use karna atcha nahi lagta.

Ye aik information hei aur shayad isee maqsad se yahan dali gai hei ki ise parren aur apni rai den. correct na?
Posted 24 Oct 2006

new_beau says
yes you are correct...
Posted 25 Oct 2006

Badal says
danie said:

javad said:

for muslims any singing activty is haram.. not only this.



Ya U R right. Lekin fir bhi hum log gaane pasand karte hei aur gungunate bhi hei.

Itne gaanon, Shair-shairiyon mei apne lover ke baare mei na jaane kya kya kaha jata hei. Us par kisi ko koi aitraz nahi hei lekin agar motherland ki shaan mei kuch kaha gaya to religen yaad aa gaya. Vaise India ka National aenthom ye poori poem nahin hei jo NB ne likhi hei. Iska kuch part hei. Poori ki poori aesi nahi hei.

Pakistan ke national Day ke mauke par aese gaane ammoman sunne ko mil jate hei jinme pakistan ko apne jaan, Iman aur bhi na jaane kya kya kaha jaata hei. Us par aap logon ko objection kyon nahi hota?

Apni Apni country sabko pyari hoti hei. Duniya ke sabhi mulk ke logon ke apni country ke baare mei aese emotions hote hei. Lekin iska matlab ye nahi hei ki aap usme apni taang unchi karke baith jaae. Agar kisi ko hinustan ka ye aenthom pasand nahi hei aur agar vo uski izzat hindustan mei rahkar nahi kar sakta to mere khayal se use hindustan chorr dena chahiye. Isme Indians ko koi objection nahin hei.


Baat ganaon (songs) ki hai hi nahi yahaan, aap ganon ko le kar bilawaja taqreer kar gaye. Agar ye plain words main bhi hoti (for example, in a prayer) tu bhi is kay parhnay par yahi fatwa lagta.

Aik national song aur aur aik aam song main zameen aasman ka farq hota hai. aam songs main agar kuch sinful words hotay hain tu aam songs tu kuch arsay main bhula diye jatay hain, jabkay aik national song bhulanay kay liye nahi hota. Agar muslims bhi ye song ganay lagain tu is say buhat bara fitna khara ho jaye ga jisko roknay kay liye ye fatwa bhi kam hai. Jis cheez say jitna severe fitna khara ho ga, us par reaction (fatwas, protests etc) bhi utna hi shadeed hoga aur hona bhi chahiye. This is abs logical, but ofcourse requires a brain to understand.

Pakistan kay national day par songs main shirk, wo bhi iss level ka? Jis par koi fatwa issue na hua ho? Any examples would be helpful.

"Apni Apni country sabko pyari hoti hei....Lekin iska matlab ye nahi hei ki aap usme apni taang unchi karke baith jaae...". Right, apna country sub ko pyara hota hai, laikin muslims kay liye apna deen Islam ziada pyara hota hai. And also, ye fatwa sirf muslims par laga hai, wo bhi sirf ginti kay 54, sab indians par tu nahi laga. Na hi hindus ya kisi aur (muslims kay ilawa) ko ye song ganay say mana kiya gaya hai. Na hi indian national song ki beizzati ki gae hai (dont tell me that isko shirk kehna beizzati hai ). So, actually, koi bhi aap kay kay muamlaat main tang unchi nahi kar raha, bulkay aap muslims kay muamlaat main interfere kar rahay hain, whether intentionally or unintentionally.
Posted 03 Nov 2006

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