no one can draw a list of what is zaroori and what is not
her normal shakhas vo merd ho ya aurat us ko ye samajhna koi mushkil nahin k zaroorat kya he.job per jana zaroorat ho sakti he window shopping k liay jana nahin.ye ladies per depend kerta he k kya waqi zaroori he aur kya nahin.
chader wali baat na mukamal he char deewari wali baat k,u dont have to observe hijab in your own home is ki zaroorat bahir nikalne per hi paish ati he,aur ye samajhna koi mushkil nahin k ghar se bahir ap jitna bhi carefull raho ap k uthne baithne chalne phirne main,khane peene main,milne milane main be-perdagi bhi ho sakti he,be-ehtiati bhi,aur be-hoodagi bhi.
EHTIAT ZAROORI HE

ehtyat ?? being careful ??
samajh nahi i yar

if i live in a non muslim country tab to samajh aata hai ehtyat karna (depends on "halaat")
but like living in a muslim country kiss se ehtyat karein
apne MUSLIM BHAIYON SE

masla bhaion ka nahin mehrum aur na mehrum ka he perda na mehrum se kia jata he chahe vo ap ka musalman bhai hi kyun na ho.thousand of muslim women r raped by their musalman bhais every year.ehtiat is liay zaroori he.

i still dont understand
jahan parda aur ehtyat hoti hai rape wahan bhi hote hein
jahan tak mehram na mehram ka taluk hai to we all know that even in our society (including other muslims countries) incest and pedophily exist.. reported cases boht kam honge par we all know the reality is much more shameful

doosri cheez,, u said parda sirf bahir hota hai
nooo... parda apne baki rishte daron se bhi hota hai.. like ur brothers in law wagera

all i want to say is
do u really think aurat ka parda karna ya ghar mei bethna kissi masle ka hal hai ??????

brother in law waghera bhi to na-mehrum hi hote hain.
jahan perda hota he rape and adultery wahan bhi hoti he lekin kafi kam
yes incest and pedophily exist everywhere but this is no excuse for not observing perda.
perda bohat se masail ka hal he lekin sab masail ka nahin islam isi liay collectively sharia ko apnane ko kehta he kyunk individually hamara amal jitna bhi acha kyun na ho it does not bring out the desired result.
perda jis tarah hamare molvi paish kerte hain,parhi likhi,samajhdar khuateen ki majority us ko apne sath aik imtiazi salook k tour per leti he.you are not the only one who is complaining
HIJAAB IN MY OPINION
there is a greater topic in islam and that is SHARM-O-HAYA.islam wants its followers to have this quality... enrich it and exhibit it.now in our daily life we can manifest this quality in many ways,islam has even set out some guide lines regarding this through the life of HOLY PROPHET S.A.W.S,and one way of expressing that we are modest is our DRESS.because dress does make a statement so islam has given some clear guidelines regarding what to wear and how to wear and how to carry oneself with the prescribed/suggested/recommended dress.
these instructions...better call these guidelines are as follows.
1-your dress must cover your SATAR...the part of body u must have to hide from others.
i need not tell u what satar is but for the sake of clarity,a man must cover his body from his belly button(i forgot the decent word for it )to his knees,and a woman is supposed to hide her body completely leaving only face,hands and feet exposed(as u know there is even a controversy regarding the covering of face,but lets forget it for a while).now i dont see anything discriminating about it,and almost all muslim women in spirit atleast agree to it.
2-your dress must not be skin tight.
so that your SATAR does not get accentuated/become more prominent.again it applies to both men and women.that is why some molvis discourage men from wearing tight geans/pants since they dont serve the purpose well.
3-your dress must not be a see-through type.
both men and women should not wear clothes that show their SATAR.i have observed rather sheepishly that many women wear HIJAB but wear such clothes specially in summer that even their under garments are visible same goes for men...cotton wear leaves many in a sharamnak halat but they remain oblivious to it.
4-your dress must be such that is considered decent in your society.
in our mosques usually caps made of straw are kept for sinners like me so we could cover our heads but that is MAKROOH as no decent and self respecting man likes to wear them in public.similarly namaaz bohat gunde mazdoori wale kapron main perhna bagher kisi majboori k,bhi makrooh he since no one likes to dress like that in public.
5-u must carry yourself decently in public.
once holy prophet went to see hazrat usman he was relaxing and his shirt was exposing his belly,holy prophet saw it and at the same time hazrat usman realized that and immediately covered it.holy prophet smiled and said that even angels usman se HAYA kerte hain.this is a good example as to how should we carry ourself in public,even if we are wearing SHARAI LIBAAS.hamare merdon ki to ye halat he k jahan dil chaha,azar bund khola aur beth gay to make water
6-women when they go out must wear hijab.
this is the only instruction rather an order that is specifically for ladies only.GOD best knows the reason and logic but just imagine,if u cover your face....
1-u dont have to put on sun screen etc.your facial skin remains immune to ulteviolet rays.
2-u dont have to spend large amount of money on JUST TO LOOK GOOD IN PUBLIC.
3-u dont have to feel any insecurity when pakistani men are oggling at u like hell.
4-and as some ladies have told u begin to feel a strange inner confidence that helps u survive the day an a more better way.
if a women does not wear HIJAB it does not at all cost mean she is a W**RE.
if a woman does observe HIJAB,it does not make her the new addition of HAZRAT MARYAM either.
the decision is entirely one's own and no one has any right to interfare,but one atleast must accept the ORDER even if one does not obey it.
i have just tried to describe HIJAAB as i see it.HIJAAB kisi PABUNDI ka naam nahin aik SECURITY ka naam he.and the basic purpose it serves is SHARM-O-HAYA,jab vo hi na ho to saat perdon main raho ya nangay ho ker ghoomo,baat aik hi he

I have read the question and all comments....

Abhi kuchh zean mainnnahin aa raha kya kahoon....

Ehtyaat aur BALANCE zaroori hay...Baaqi Allah Niyyat ka haal dekhnay waala hay aur Bachaanay waala bhi

i think zarorat menas
k aik cheez jis k bagair guzara ho raha hay
not so much imprtant
aur app woh lainey nikal jao

ya phir koi gher zarori cheez

nikama you surprise me all the time.

your comments on Hijab are very accurate. Thanks for taking time out for writing this rather long response. I find it very difficult to find time to respond... though I itch so bad to respond to topics where religion is misunderstood.

I want to add two other conditions as I have known as part of hijab:
1. Colors of outer garments should not be very attractive and eye catching - Women are prohibited from showing their beauty and beautifying themselves when outing from their homes. They are though at liberty to beautify themselves for their spouses and at home. Similarly, men are required to dress modestly. The purpose and intention of clothing should be to cover onself in obedience to Allah's command as opposed to impressing others or attracting others attention.

2. Clothes of males should not resemble clothes of female and the other way around...for clear distinction between men and women.

You are absolutely right that hijab is definitely a symbol of haya as ordained in Quran and as seen in the teachings of beloved prophet SAW. Hijab is not haya by it self. It is the individual conduct and how we carry ourself reflects our level of haya. Some may only adopt that symbol for a variety of reasons but haya may not have touched their heart. On the other hand, there may be some who do not observe the complete hijab, but they have haya in their hearts. This haya may not have matured to the point that they submit to the demands of their creator.

Thanks for adding more info SD

Smooth_daddy:

nikama you surprise me all the time.

your comments on Hijab are very accurate. Thanks for taking time out for writing this rather long response. I find it very difficult to find time to respond... though I itch so bad to respond to topics where religion is misunderstood.

I want to add two other conditions as I have known as part of hijab:
1. Colors of outer garments should not be very attractive and eye catching - Women are prohibited from showing their beauty and beautifying themselves when outing from their homes. They are though at liberty to beautify themselves for their spouses and at home. Similarly, men are required to dress modestly. The purpose and intention of clothing should be to cover onself in obedience to Allah's command as opposed to impressing others or attracting others attention.

2. Clothes of males should not resemble clothes of female and the other way around...for clear distinction between men and women.

You are absolutely right that hijab is definitely a symbol of haya as ordained in Quran and as seen in the teachings of beloved prophet SAW. Hijab is not haya by it self. It is the individual conduct and how we carry ourself reflects our level of haya. Some may only adopt that symbol for a variety of reasons but haya may not have touched their heart. On the other hand, there may be some who do not observe the complete hijab, but they have haya in their hearts. This haya may not have matured to the point that they submit to the demands of their creator.

very right and true thanks for sharing

I think meray kuch kehnay ki zaroorat nahi, kafi kuch kaha ja chuka hai Just wanna say, log hijab par tu rarely criticize kartay hai (kyunkay mushkil hai ) laikin ghar say bilawaja bahir nikalnay ko mana karnay par irritate ho jatay hain. But, I bet, agar unko bilawaja bahar ghar say bahir nikalnay ki ijazat de bhi di jaye tu bhi hijab observe nahi karain gay. Bahir (even zaroorat ki places like schools, colleges, work places etc) jain gay tu bahir konsa father ya husband dekh raha ho ga. Hijab say related masail par behas say matlab mostly hijab par hi aa jata hai. (Phool ki patiyaan aik aik kar kay tor di jain tu eventually phool hi khatam ho jaye ga na )

nikama:

brother in law waghera bhi to na-mehrum hi hote hain.
jahan perda hota he rape and adultery wahan bhi hoti he lekin kafi kam
yes incest and pedophily exist everywhere but this is no excuse for not observing perda.

yani k parda sirf bahir nahi ghar mei bhi hota hai,, right
adultry kam hai,, agree.. par rape ?? i dont think so,, kabhi real numbers dekhe hein pak k
hmmm,, yani k parda inn sab galt kamon ko rokna ka zariya nahi hai

nikama:

perda bohat se masail ka hal he lekin sab masail ka nahin islam isi liay collectively sharia ko apnane ko kehta he kyunk individually hamara amal jitna bhi acha kyun na ho it does not bring out the desired result.

there is a greater topic in islam and that is SHARM-O-HAYA.

isssss baat pe I DONT HAVE ANYYYY OBJECTION
abhi baad mei bhi as u wrote abt DESCENT LIBAS mard aur aurat dono k liye.. iss mei bhi koi bhiiii eitraz nahi hai kyun k baat hai hi sahi

but here again,,, DESCENT kya hota hai
hamare han jo definition descent ki hai woh europe mei nahi hai,, a woman in hijab attracts more than one in knee length skirt

well it doenst mean k sab hijab utar k skirt pehen lein,, sirf aik baat kahi hai

u told few reasons,, Y HIJAB
sorry but i dont agree to any of em.. its not coz i dont wear hijab k me 2 tonnn make up mu pe laga k phiru
"strange inner confidence" ??????

nikama:

HIJAAB kisi PABUNDI ka naam nahin aik SECURITY ka naam he.

ghuma phira k hum wapis apne topic ki taraf aa gae hein
that was my question,,,
agar sab ko sharm o haya ka nazrein neechi rakhne ka hukum hai to phir kis se secure karna hai apni aurton ko



there s one more thing i want to say par abhi nahi kehna chah rahi bohot maaar pare gi
may b later,, i hope yeh topic wahan tak na pohonche

thnx SD
but lemme correct ya,, religion is not "misunderstood"
im ony asking for an explanation



its said abt Islami hukoomat (correct me if im wrong) k security ka aisa aalam k aik aurat akele maloom nahi kahan se kahan safar kar paae gi
but agar aurat ko akele safar ki ijazat nahi to yeh "fictive" example kis kaam ki hai

thnx for u comments badal
yeh topic hijab aur bahir jaane dono k upper hai
agar sahi se parha ho to



irritate hone ki waja yeh hai k dono ki logic sahi se samajh nahi i






one important thing
kissi ne abhi tak nahi bataya k ZAROORAT kya hoti hai,, i mean woh konsi zaroorat hai jiss pe aurat ko (parde mei hi sahi) bahir jana ja'iz hai



last thing
did someone read the answer of the question (in my first post in urdu)
akele safar karna FITNE ka ba'is ho sakta hai
iss ka kya matlab hai

JO TALIMAAT HAMARY NABI NAY HAMEN DI HAIN AUR JO CHEZEN ALLAH AUR USKAY RASOOL PBUH NAY BATAIN HAIN USMAIN HI BHALAI HAI.. AUR USPAR NA CHALNA BUS HAMARI NADANI HAI JISKI SAZA HAMEN MILAY GI.

Aurat aur mard dono ko apni limits bata de gain hain

yaa aap sab kay views mainay parhay yaa Islam ki talimaat per amal karnay main hi hamari bhalai hain.
zaroorat kay liye aurat ghar se zaroor nikal sakti hain agar job karnay ki zaroorat ho to woh bhi kar sakti hain per hijab main.
aur i think asian mahol main koi aurat bagair zaroorat kay ghar se nahi nikalti.

hmm

thnx a lot sun shine and javad
i agree to wotever u said but mera khyal se ehkamat doosron pe impose karne se pehle khud amal karna zaroori hai

hmmm,, my question remains here

ashii,
zaroorat ko kisi ne define kerne ki koshish is liay nahin ki kyunk aisa koi bewaqoof hi ker sakta he.there is no hard and fast rule either in sharia or sociology as to what a necessity is.it varies from person to

person from society to society.isi liay hamare religion ne male aur female followers donon ko aik code of conduct de dia he,jis per amal kerna lazmi he.
another thing,ager nazrain neechi rakhne ka hukam dia gay he to aik to vo muslim merdon k liay he aur muashron main her religion k log pay jate hain,doosre jis tarah her muslim aurat hijab ki pabundi nahin kerti usi tarah her merd bhi is hukam ki pabundi nahin kerta.
merdon ko nazrain neechi rakhne ka hukam isi liay dia gaya he k ALLAH ko maloom tha k her aurat hijab ki pabund nahin ho gi.
similarly aurat ko hijab ka hukam isi liay did gaya he kyunk her merd nazrain neechi nahin rakhta.
decent libaas ki definition meri pichli post main aur s.d ki post main mojood he koi na dekhna chahe to us ki marzi.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... agreeee
if there isnt any specific definition of ZAROORAT,, it means we cant say wotever I AM DOING is accordin to my zaroorat, and wot others are doing is not




yarr itne din baad is topic mei i hu
bhoool gaya hai kya kya kehna tha