AS u know bollywood is continue copying the songs for the last 10 to 12 years of our film industry or pop singer or any ptv songs,but interesting things I would like to share that bollywood is copying superhit pakistani songs twice but tune is same.Latest previous 6 months movies if u watch then u will find the facts of bollywood. so Plz dont talk rubish about lollywood and its creativity.We must proud of these acheivement. "Chedey may nazara" famous "Chorian"
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well the songs ur talkin about are old folk songs that voids teh copyright issue. nusrat fateh ali khan spent more time in india than in any other country. lol this is cause that place knows how to treat artists and pay em big bucks. when nobody knew if nusrat existed he was singing qawaalis at indian film stars weddings. lol . by the way - is there any 'mtv' in pakistan. [:D]
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you've crossed a line springstepper.
i'll ingore the b-s you spewed out after the comment on nusrat. in regards to him tho, i'll have you know, he DID NOT SPEND MORE TIME IN INDIA THAN IN PAKISTAN.....he made 2-3 albums there, and they only helped elevate his ALREADY HUGE POPULARITY, which he got from his NATIVE PAKISTAN. nusrat stopped in the middle of a concert when some retard held up an indian flag. so if you're trying to make us think he and other pakistani artists sold out.....you're wrong.
for every 1 song he gave to india, he gave 10 back to PAKISTAN. money was a bonus for a guy like him.....he played in india, the U.S. and any other country for that matter for one reason and one reason ONLY........TO SPREAD ISLAM AND EVERYTHING IN REAGRDS TO IT. so while he may have crossed over here and there, it was not for money or women and ESPCIALLY not for fame. he already had all of that. he crossed over to help that sorry nation and spread the word of ISLAM. again....you have no idea what you're talking abt....ESECIALLY when it comes to nusrat.
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i know what i am talkin about nfak, he s a great legend , no denying that fact but before he was one(lol) he was performing at rishi kapoors wedding in bombay while people were getting drunk and throwing money at him. lol it s a nice way of spreading islam i guess.
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he sings at one wedding, and that defines the man's career???
u see thats my whole point springstepper. without taking anything away from india, a lot of what they put forth as being their own, is in fact NOT, espcially when it comes to the entertainment industry. no doubt they have much more resourses than pakistan. but if not for them 'borrowing' our work much of the time....they have nothing to present to the world at large, with these resources.
going back 2 nusrat singing at some guy's wedding, it does not make him indian. it doesn't mean he sold out. he was simply starting out, like all musicians do. if this guy's wedding or any other guy's wedding had been in africa, nusrat would have went to africa. just cause he crossed the boarder doesn't mean he was selling out or abandoning pakistan. he was a pakistani through and through, and so are all these other artists you claim cross the boarder.
as for him spreading islam....the same nusrat 2-3 years after that wedding...had muslims, sikhs, christains, jews, and even our good hindu friends alike...dancing in a trance to the message(s) of his God, Allah, and his religon, Islam. one wedding doesn't and DIDN'T define his career.
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he sings at one wedding, and that defines the man's career???
u see thats my whole point springstepper. without taking anything away from india, a lot of what they put forth as being their own, is in fact NOT, espcially when it comes to the entertainment industry. no doubt they have much more resourses than pakistan. but if not for them 'borrowing' our work much of the time....they have nothing to present to the world at large, with these resources.
going back 2 nusrat singing at some guy's wedding, it does not make him indian. it doesn't mean he sold out. he was simply starting out, like all musicians do. if this guy's wedding or any other guy's wedding had been in africa, nusrat would have went to africa. just cause he crossed the boarder doesn't mean he was selling out or abandoning pakistan. he was a pakistani through and through, and so are all these other artists you claim cross the boarder.
as for him spreading islam....the same nusrat 2-3 years after that wedding...had muslims, sikhs, christains, jews, and even our good hindu friends alike...dancing in a trance to the message(s) of his God, Allah, and his religon, Islam. one wedding doesn't and DIDN'T define his career.
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according to Zee cinima program "Ekka pa ekka" himself admit that bolywood movies orginality has finished,indian host sajid khan said facts about bollywood movie a lot of inspiration from hollywood. so indian media admit these facts,why u indian guy not admit from whole heart? We are not fight u guy? so u talk politely,dont talk about paki movie,"Yeh dil aap ka hawa" is superhit against bollywood movie in uk,we are comming in canada,usa,dubai,so be prepare.
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a gift??? whateva buddy......
u could talk all the trash u want but when it comes to nusrat....zip it. u're outta your league.
and u know what...i thought we had decent discussions on lollywood goin' but u keep giving everyone the run-around and we're trying to catch a moving target. if its not lollywood, its our country, then our religion, then human rights and so on....
this discussion board is on lollywood...feel free 2 bash it criticize it...even compliment it, but when you bring up our country and ESPECAILLY our religion....you're asking for it. we've let the other b-s go...but b4 this gets outta hand....this is the last you'll be hearing from me....
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a gift??? whateva buddy......
u could talk all the trash u want but when it comes to nusrat....zip it. u're outta your league.
and u know what...i thought we had decent discussions on lollywood goin' but u keep giving everyone the run-around and we're trying to catch a moving target. if its not lollywood, its our country, then our religion, then human rights and so on....
this discussion board is on lollywood...feel free 2 bash it criticize it...even compliment it, but when you bring up our country and ESPECAILLY our religion....you're asking for it. we've let the other b-s go...but b4 this gets outta hand....this is the last you'll be hearing from me....
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well nfak, talkin bout movies i have an article for ya. it s from a leading daily in pakistan called- ' daily jang' - pretty pompous name but anyways this came today, sunday the 24th , enjoylol-- Bollywood calling
With each new film Bollywood is said to be taking a step towards a better, more enlightened cinema. So is our industry still competing with the one across the divide or should we just hand over the title of 'Big B' to Bollywood
By Shahzareah Husain
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence and so goes the adage. But in the case of celluloid development watching Reema and Meera do their umpteenth latka and jhatka one cannot help but feel pangs of envy as Bollywood trots ahead to the finish line.
Now my argument to any friendly neighbour has always been that if we had the sort of funding from generous benefactors we too would be producing classics. But taking just this year as an example, the stark reality emerging is that it is not just the money but also the creativity that is slowly erasing the formula of boy and girl dancing around trees and introducing something that can appeal even to an intelligent mind. Previously Hollywood were reluctant to acknowledge Indian cinema but with Devdas and other big projects having made it to Cannes and back, equations have changed. And the non-resident Indian cinema wooing the bilingual audience through Bend it Like Beckham and Monsoon Wedding suddenly, the developed side of the world now seems to be in full know how of the Salman Khan and Vivek Oberoi tussle over the stunning Aishwarya!
Dreams Unlimited's Chalte Chalte is one of the biggest hits of the year. Using the same theme as Saathiya it explores life after marriage instead of rolling credits using the wedding scene as the background. The emerging genres impose responsibility on the existing scenarios to reappear after a major over hauling. Ishq Vishq Pyar Vyar was not the first movie to have been based around a college campus. Many onscreen triangles have been etched on that frame but what made this movie was not just the natural look adopted by the actors, but also issues such as teenage sex which seems to be a more pressing issue than avenging your father's death.
Natural has given way to supernatural. From the songless Bhoot that succeeded in living up to its tag line and causing one sleepless night atleast to Darna Mana Hai in which six short stories are narrated under one canopy and by the looks of it the concept appealed so much to the viewers that its sequel Darna Zaroori Hai is on its way to the cinema houses.
Even the most diehard Indian movie followers were sceptical of Koi Mil Gaya being a solid hit. Rumours ranged from Hrithik being the alien to the spaceship carrying him off to the fifth or sixth planet - projecting it as a film that might not click with the Indian audience at the end of the day. But international expertise as well as a mind blowing performance by Hrithik himself has succeeded in quashing all such doubts and as the Roshan clan make their way merrily to the bank they can be rest assured that this experimental venture will be regarded as ground breaker for years to come. Sure the alien and the last song 'Hai Allah' are tacky but the rest of it is at least a good effort in terms of science-fiction.
The fact that India and Pakistan despite sharing the same history and the same resources in the past have turned out to be so different from each other as far as cinematic values are concerned, maybe reasoned with the oft-repeated justification that singing and dancing are part of their culture - and we have always been told by the conservative elements to suppress our creative urges headed in that direction. But whatever the excuse, fact is that post Laagan there seems to be no looking back. Bollywood which was supposed to have gone Hollywood, is not only borrowing from - but lending generously its elements to the more developed industry of Hollywood. Hence it doesn't come as a surprise when a Naseeruddin Shah makes an extraordinary appearance in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen or when Heather Graham and Jimi Mistry, dance to the tunes of Indian music in The Guru.
The forthcoming Mumbai Se Ayaa Mera Dost deals with a similar rural theme though its issue (electricity) is more current than land tax. Some films such as Armaan despite a very talented team failed to work at the box office. Reasons could be the slow pace or that fact that promos had revealed it all before release but just as with Dhoop Kinare PTV introduced its audience to life inside a hospital; Bollywood via Honey Irani's script took you in to the life of medical practitioners and the effort should be admired simply because it was unchartered territory previously.
The war or patriotic sagas continue with films ranging from the below mediocre Jaal and Hero to J.P Dutta's LOC which is the final installation of his patriotic trilogy (the earlier ones being Border and Refugee). Most of them are biased and dialogues often lack grey matter in them but unfortunately we continue to make the same mistake in Lollywood time and again as well.
Item and stage numbers remain and heroines are still treated as sex symbols more often than not, but using Preity Zinta's role as an example in Koi Mil Gaya, where she is more of a protector than a girlfriend, the tide is turning slowly. Sexuality remains a selling factor but with films like Jism using it as the principal theme it no longer needs to be covered in lashes of rain or be symbolised by the images of birds and bees.
The Pakistani government has recently reinforced the ban on Indian cable channels, the reason perhaps to protect us from being brainwashed by the culture of saas bahu and etcetera - unfortunately not too unlike ours. But what is ignored is that sales of tapes and DVDs escalate nevertheless. Little girls will still dance to a Kareena number at a mehndi and people will spend Sunday night watching one action hero or the other take on ten men at the same time.
Two separate nations with different ideologies and identities yet many cultural similarities. But even if the films that they make may be as different from each other as chalk from cheese, we share similar audiences at least for our creations. So while Salman romances with Bhumika Chawla in the latest Tere Naam and our audience getting vicarious thrills watching it, So much for the change in hearts and minds.
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well nfak, talkin bout movies i have an article for ya. it s from a leading daily in pakistan called- ' daily jang' - pretty pompous name but anyways this came today, sunday the 24th , enjoylol-- Bollywood calling
With each new film Bollywood is said to be taking a step towards a better, more enlightened cinema. So is our industry still competing with the one across the divide or should we just hand over the title of 'Big B' to Bollywood
By Shahzareah Husain
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence and so goes the adage. But in the case of celluloid development watching Reema and Meera do their umpteenth latka and jhatka one cannot help but feel pangs of envy as Bollywood trots ahead to the finish line.
Now my argument to any friendly neighbour has always been that if we had the sort of funding from generous benefactors we too would be producing classics. But taking just this year as an example, the stark reality emerging is that it is not just the money but also the creativity that is slowly erasing the formula of boy and girl dancing around trees and introducing something that can appeal even to an intelligent mind. Previously Hollywood were reluctant to acknowledge Indian cinema but with Devdas and other big projects having made it to Cannes and back, equations have changed. And the non-resident Indian cinema wooing the bilingual audience through Bend it Like Beckham and Monsoon Wedding suddenly, the developed side of the world now seems to be in full know how of the Salman Khan and Vivek Oberoi tussle over the stunning Aishwarya!
Dreams Unlimited's Chalte Chalte is one of the biggest hits of the year. Using the same theme as Saathiya it explores life after marriage instead of rolling credits using the wedding scene as the background. The emerging genres impose responsibility on the existing scenarios to reappear after a major over hauling. Ishq Vishq Pyar Vyar was not the first movie to have been based around a college campus. Many onscreen triangles have been etched on that frame but what made this movie was not just the natural look adopted by the actors, but also issues such as teenage sex which seems to be a more pressing issue than avenging your father's death.
Natural has given way to supernatural. From the songless Bhoot that succeeded in living up to its tag line and causing one sleepless night atleast to Darna Mana Hai in which six short stories are narrated under one canopy and by the looks of it the concept appealed so much to the viewers that its sequel Darna Zaroori Hai is on its way to the cinema houses.
Even the most diehard Indian movie followers were sceptical of Koi Mil Gaya being a solid hit. Rumours ranged from Hrithik being the alien to the spaceship carrying him off to the fifth or sixth planet - projecting it as a film that might not click with the Indian audience at the end of the day. But international expertise as well as a mind blowing performance by Hrithik himself has succeeded in quashing all such doubts and as the Roshan clan make their way merrily to the bank they can be rest assured that this experimental venture will be regarded as ground breaker for years to come. Sure the alien and the last song 'Hai Allah' are tacky but the rest of it is at least a good effort in terms of science-fiction.
The fact that India and Pakistan despite sharing the same history and the same resources in the past have turned out to be so different from each other as far as cinematic values are concerned, maybe reasoned with the oft-repeated justification that singing and dancing are part of their culture - and we have always been told by the conservative elements to suppress our creative urges headed in that direction. But whatever the excuse, fact is that post Laagan there seems to be no looking back. Bollywood which was supposed to have gone Hollywood, is not only borrowing from - but lending generously its elements to the more developed industry of Hollywood. Hence it doesn't come as a surprise when a Naseeruddin Shah makes an extraordinary appearance in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen or when Heather Graham and Jimi Mistry, dance to the tunes of Indian music in The Guru.
The forthcoming Mumbai Se Ayaa Mera Dost deals with a similar rural theme though its issue (electricity) is more current than land tax. Some films such as Armaan despite a very talented team failed to work at the box office. Reasons could be the slow pace or that fact that promos had revealed it all before release but just as with Dhoop Kinare PTV introduced its audience to life inside a hospital; Bollywood via Honey Irani's script took you in to the life of medical practitioners and the effort should be admired simply because it was unchartered territory previously.
The war or patriotic sagas continue with films ranging from the below mediocre Jaal and Hero to J.P Dutta's LOC which is the final installation of his patriotic trilogy (the earlier ones being Border and Refugee). Most of them are biased and dialogues often lack grey matter in them but unfortunately we continue to make the same mistake in Lollywood time and again as well.
Item and stage numbers remain and heroines are still treated as sex symbols more often than not, but using Preity Zinta's role as an example in Koi Mil Gaya, where she is more of a protector than a girlfriend, the tide is turning slowly. Sexuality remains a selling factor but with films like Jism using it as the principal theme it no longer needs to be covered in lashes of rain or be symbolised by the images of birds and bees.
The Pakistani government has recently reinforced the ban on Indian cable channels, the reason perhaps to protect us from being brainwashed by the culture of saas bahu and etcetera - unfortunately not too unlike ours. But what is ignored is that sales of tapes and DVDs escalate nevertheless. Little girls will still dance to a Kareena number at a mehndi and people will spend Sunday night watching one action hero or the other take on ten men at the same time.
Two separate nations with different ideologies and identities yet many cultural similarities. But even if the films that they make may be as different from each other as chalk from cheese, we share similar audiences at least for our creations. So while Salman romances with Bhumika Chawla in the latest Tere Naam and our audience getting vicarious thrills watching it, So much for the change in hearts and minds.
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ydakh said:
AS u know bollywood is continue copying the songs for the last 10 to 12 years of our film industry or pop singer or any ptv songs,but interesting things I would like to share that bollywood is copying superhit pakistani songs twice but tune is same.Latest previous 6 months movies if u watch then u will find the facts of bollywood. so Plz dont talk rubish about lollywood and its creativity.We must proud of these acheivement. "Chedey may nazara" famous "Chorian"
You are right they did copy our song but don't forget that lollywood copies them too so it equal...and also they copied bhohey bariyaan hadiqa's song...they had it in dil hai tumhara.
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yeah iman,this haidq song has copied also twice...other song is 'Dil chora lia manay tum say pyar kar kay".. yeh your right,but pakistani big music director like Amjad bobby never copy any song of indian...but "Nadeem sharwan" is big name of bollywood,he copy dozon of paksitani filmi songs,our industry has not established,but bollywood is established...pakistani music is also admirable.
