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kuch hakeekat bhi hai
but basically propoganda lagta hai

SALL:

kuch hakeekat bhi hai
but basically propoganda lagta hai

Kiya Matlab...do you think this info is not Correct ???

writer has a prepared conclusion in his mind
"ismaili muslims nahi hote"

wot do u expect k yeh article kya ho ??



aar abhi koi shaks yeh baat zehn mei bitha k aik article likhna start kare k "muslims bure hote hein"
to believe me usse itna kuch SACH batein kehne ko milein gi k parhne wale ka khud se muslims per se yakeen uth jae ga



kissi ko galt sabit karne se bhi behtar hai k khud ko acha sabit karo


writer iss article se kya sabit karna chahta hai ??
yehi k qadyani aur shia ka masla kafi nahi hai
add this one too

SALL ....The purpose of this Topic is not to tell somebody that he is wrong or right....Its related to new Education system in Pakistan...

I think The Basic theme is ...Pakistan's Education system is going under supervision of some people whom are not applying Islamic ways in their Lives...

Regarding your words that Agar koi Muslims ko bura samajh ker likhna shuru keray tou woh bohat kuchh likh sakta hay...YOU ARE RIGHT....But its not a matter of Muslim and ISMAILI.....Its about ISLAM and ISMAYEELIYET.....

And its CLEAR AS CRYSTAL that Ismaili Firqa is Not Muslim....Bcoz They are doing Against Islamic ways...WALLAH-O-A'ALAM BIS SAAWAB"

Agree to new_beau.

And Sall, you always get irritated when there is a talk about diffrenciating right from the wrong saying "you are spreading sectarianism" etc. Distinguishing right from the wrong and sticking to the right is the responsibility of every Believer. No one have a right to remain in darkness. Can you (or, do you) claim such a right?

Our Prophet already told us about splitting the Ummah in 73 sects, not for that we close our eyes like a Kabootar when we see them, instead to recognize them, refute them and stick to right sect (Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamat). And this is because of endeavours of the true followers of the Prophet on his order that this count will be restricted to 73, or otherwise if we close our eyes and let everyone do their work that that could be upto 73,000.

i never take side of wrong,,, im trying to find out the truth
khud ko sahi sabit karne ka sab se asaan tareeka hai k doosre ko galt sabit kar do
and this is wot we always do


72 sects,, agree
but yeh hadees complete nahi hai
inn sects mei se sirf 1 sachai pe hoga,, yeh bhi kaha gaya hai,, aur sachai pe wohi hoga ko Quran aur Sunnah k raste pe rahe ga
khud ko SUNNI keh dene se hum sache nahi ban jate


our education sys s never been supervised by 'correct ppl'
agha khan univ is the only paki med inst jiss ka degree poori dunya mei recognised hai,, agar woh log galt hein to unn ka mukabla unhi k tareeke se karo,, aise "reliable" institutes hone chaiye jahan hamari influence zyada ho,,

koi galt hai to iss pe discuss ki jati hai,, apne points batae jate hein doosre k sunne jate hein,, phir kahin ja k faisla hota hai
aap ne to seeedha seedha statement de di

khair,,, once i read a joke k pehle zamane mei Islam k daire mei dakhil kiya jata tha,, ab nikala jata hai
keep on trying

meray khayal main neau-beau ka purpose basically tha to discuss the changes that agha khan board wants to bring abt in our education system.I have read the questions asked in the survey that the board carried out a few months ago.yaar honestly speaking,the questions were too bold for our society.as far Manto's short story"khol do" well its a good reading for a mature adult,but to include it in the syllabus of o-level urdu is something else.now I dont like to put every blame on American pressure,but the fact is that Bush admin.had serious reservations against the syllabus of Pakistani schools.in the 1st term of Bush,our fedral minister for education was one Zubaida Jalal who got so much thrashing from religious parties over the isuue of syllabus review,that gov. changed her port folio and brought Gen. Ashraf Jahangir Qazi then minister for railways to step in her shoes.now u people know or not but this man is considered to be one of the most liberal generals that we have.also being a retired general he is so far enjoing a sort of immunity from the criticism.and the last thing abt him,he reportedly is responsible for the purchase of sub-standerd loclmotives for pak railway from CHINA aur woh bhi itni price per jis main hum Japan se bullet train ka engine purchase ker saktay thay.lets see what he does with our already deteriorating education system.SO BAATON KI EK BAAT YE KE KUCH ARSE SE HUM ITNAY ZIADA AZAD AUR KHUDMUKHTAR NAHIN RAHE JITNEY WE USED TO BE IN THE PAST.now hamaray sylaabus ke decisions bhi baahir se ho ke aatay hain.

SALL:

i never take side of wrong,,, im trying to find out the truth
khud ko sahi sabit karne ka sab se asaan tareeka hai k doosre ko galt sabit kar do
and this is wot we always do

you are trying to find out the truth, aur tareeka ye ikhtiyaar kia hai kay "do not talk about what is lie and truth", amazing..

aur '1' ko '2' say kam sabit kar do, ya '2' ko '1' say ziada, result aik hi niklay ga, isnt it? if two people differ tu aik ko ghalat sabit karain to doosra sahih sabit ho jata hai, ya aik ko sahih sabit karain tu doosra automatically ghalat sabit ho jata hai. result is the same. where is the difference?

SALL:

72 sects,, agree
but yeh hadees complete nahi hai
inn sects mei se sirf 1 sachai pe hoga,, yeh bhi kaha gaya hai,, aur sachai pe wohi hoga ko Quran aur Sunnah k raste pe rahe ga
khud ko SUNNI keh dene se hum sache nahi ban jate

yes ofcourse khud ko Ahle Sunnah kehay say hum truly Ahle Sunnah nahi ho jatay. i meant the sect who is truly on Quran and Sunnah.

SALL:

our education sys s never been supervised by 'correct ppl'
agha khan univ is the only paki med inst jiss ka degree poori dunya mei recognised hai,, agar woh log galt hein to unn ka mukabla unhi k tareeke se karo,, aise "reliable" institutes hone chaiye jahan hamari influence zyada ho,,

never been supervised by 'correct ppl', but also never been supervised by such a 'wrong ppl'. and we are not capable of bearing more degradation in our education system that may pollute the minds of our young generation and directly influences our society.

can you tell me why agha khan uni "ki degree poori dunya mei recognised hai"? No!
can you tell me why it has been supported and funded by non-muslim govenments? No!
can you tell me why our govt want it to supervise our edu sys when we have from non-muslim governments, and not before it? No!

If yes, then the only answer is "their edu sys is in compliance with western standards of profanity and vulgarity" ya phir ye kay "wo aasman say utray hain".

If you talk about the discipline, to madam aap kab dekha discipline wahan? have you ever visited AKU? come here and i will show much more discline in just the GCU lahore. door beth kar batain karna buhat asaan hota hai, jin kay sar par parti hai unhain hi pata hota hai haqeeqat ka. AKU nay tu apni asliyat pehlay din hi dikha di hai. Just bring the question paper AKU distributed in students some days ago and read it. 2 din tak sharam say (agar ho tu) moo par say surkhi nahi jaye gi.

SALL:

koi galt hai to iss pe discuss ki jati hai,, apne points batae jate hein doosre k sunne jate hein,, phir kahin ja k faisla hota hai
aap ne to seeedha seedha statement de di

tu kis kaha kay se sab nahi hua, centuries guzar chuki hain is baat ko, gharhay murday ukharnay ka kia faida. still if you want to dig it up again, you are free to do so. pooch lain directly un say, un kay materials say consult kar lain, sab kuch aasman ki tarah saaf hai.

SALL:

khair,,, once i read a joke k pehle zamane mei Islam k daire mei dakhil kiya jata tha,, ab nikala jata hai
keep on trying

aur jo log khud nikal jatay hain un kay baray main kia khyal hai? zahir jo log apnay beleives change kar lain gay, apna rasta badal lain gay, wo hi nikal jain gay, nikalay ga kon. jab koi differ karay ga tu aik na aik tu khud hi niklay ga, chahay aap isay nikalna hi keh lain aur khoob hansain.

nikama s post is more comprehensive
pointing out a whole "bold" (debatable word) sys,,, na k aik firke ko ilzam de do


and Z
merit ka matlab samajhte hein aap ?????
agar han to shayad samajh jao k aik univ ki degree doosri se behtar kyun samjhi jati hai

jahan tak finance ka taluk hai to,,, our whole country is been funded and supported by non muslims gvt,, since last 60 yrs
ab bhugatne ka time hai
agar bhugatne ko tayyar nahi ho to soch samajh k mukabla karo,,

koi new sys, or law aise hi pass nahi ho jate,, burai apne hi society mei ho to bahir ka koi aa k kya teer maar le ga,, itne masoom bache to hein nahi hum k non muslim gvt apni marzi ka syllabus la k samne rakh dein aur sab aankhein band kar k maan lein
ismailis kitne hein pak mei ??   just tell me that
aik minority jab majority ko control karne lag jae to kasoor majority ka hi hota hai

agar new sys itna hi kharab aur bura aur "bold" lagta hai to kyun sab apne bachon ka futur k baare mei nahi sochte,, yeh aik do articles chaap dene se,, aur thore se naare maar dene se kuch nahi hota
may b pak k zyada log apne bachon ko yehi taleem dena chahte hon,, edu sys islam se door le ja raha hai to y dont parents pay more attention to their children's futur,,, log to apni jaan maar k paise laga k apne bachon ko pvt schools (jo k hein hi foreign schools)
jo nahi kar paate woh sirf iss liye k they dont have enuff money warna asal mei harr koi chahta hai k unn k bache "bahir k pvt schools" mei parhein
gvt n pvt schools ka course to hamesha se alag raha hai
the most famous pvt schools (jahan apne bachon ko admission dilwane liye log hazaron ki rishwat dete hein) unn ka islamic course to pehle bhi gvt schools wala nahi tha

i dont understand ab kya afat i hai
sys gvt nahi log banate hein,,,
woh log jo hamesha iss intzar mei rahein k koi kahin se aa k unn k halat badal de,, unn k saath to yehi hota hai

azaad,, khud-mukhtar,, self respect
haaaaaaaa,,
lemme laff...............
and u may b rite,, agar mujh mei sharam hoti to apne logon ki soch dekh k kab ki marr chuki hoti
but see im still alive and in goood health

Ab aap say baat nahi ban rahi tu pehli baat ko chor kar doosri taraf rukh mor rahi hain, chalo kuch tu samajh aya.

laikin ab aap jhoot aur deception ka sahara le rahi hain apnai kuch batoon ko durust sabit karnay kay liye, let me point out your lies and deceptions:


1) "our whole country is been funded and supported by non muslims gvt,, since last 60 yrs"

right to some extent, laikun main tu institutions ki baat kar raha tha madam, aur main nay AKU ki example di thi, na kay WAPDA ki. can you tell me kon say local (rum by muslims) institutes ko funds miltay hain directly non muslim govts say? just give me some examples. its a clear deception.


2) "koi new sys, or law aise hi pass nahi ho jate,, burai apne hi society mei ho to bahir ka koi aa k kya teer maar le ga"

again a lie and a deception, aap ko kis nay kaha kay koi law pass hua hai? kuch tu Khuda ka khof karain. this a decision of some mischievous people in the govt. na tu koi bill national assembly main pesh hua (sirf isi dar say kay reject ho jaye ga) na hi kisi authority ya logoon say is baray main opinion liya gya. kia saboot hai aap kay pass apni baat ka?

If you say kay govt kay log bhi humaray hi elect kiye huay hain, tu again you are wrong, neither we elected Mush nor his govt. jis tarah wo "select" huay hain yahaan sab jantay hain. aur agar 2, 4 log koi decision power ki base par sab par musallat kar dain tu sab ka decision nahi ban jata.


3) "yeh aik do articles chaap dene se,, aur thore se naare maar dene se kuch nahi hota"

how can you say this? aap ko wahaan bethay Ilhaam hota hai kia? pehlay yahaan aa kar dekhain phir is baray main koi baat karain. yahaan rozana articles chaptay hain aur statements aati hain, stkikes hoti hain. aur madam inhi ka asar hai jo abhi tak buhat kuch control main hai.


4) "may b pak k zyada log apne bachon ko yehi taleem dena chahte hon"

ye "may b" aap apnay tak mehdood rakhain. dosroon kay baray main aap ko aisa kehnay ka koi haq nahi hai, apnay ko kon be hayyayi ki taleem dena chahta hai? soch samajh kar bola karain.


5) "log to apni jaan maar k paise laga k apne bachon ko pvt schools (jo k hein hi foreign schools)"

again a big lie, who said that kay sab pvt schools foriegn hotay hain? pvt schools to wo hotay hain jinhain govt run nahi karti aur jinhain mostly govt say funds nahi miltay. aap nay tu definition hi badal di. you mean ye jo lakhoon school jo local people run kar rahay hain wo bahir say uth kay aye hai ya unhain foriegn countries kay funds miltay hain? what an ignorance!


6) "the most famous pvt schools (jahan apne bachon ko admission dilwane liye log hazaron ki rishwat dete hein) unn ka islamic course to pehle bhi gvt schools wala nahi tha"

8th class ki Islamiyat Lazmi, govt aur sab pvt schools ki aik hai, jis say baghair agay add nahi milta, Matric ki Islamiyat Lazmi, govt aur sab pvt schools ki aik hai, jis say baghair agay add nahi milta, FSc ki Islamiyat Lazmi, govt aur sab pvt schools ki aik hai, jis say baghair agay add nahi milta, BSc ki Islamiyat Lazmi, govt aur sab pvt schools ki aik hai, jis say baghair agay add nahi milta. aap kis ki baat kar rahi hain? A and O levels? tu how many schools ye courses karwatay hain aur kitnay log kartay hain. just 1% par apply honay wali baat ko aap nay baqi 99% par bhi apply kar diya. had hi kar di.


i think itna kafi hai, ist it?

haan, aik baat reh gae, "merit ka matlab samajhte hein aap ?????" yes ofcourse. so show me the merit of AKU, kitna hai just tell me? i will show you a hundred intitutes jin ka merit AKU say ziada hota hai.

~Fragi~:

well dear folks dont take any thing personal
sharing of views n knowledge hamara prime objective hai, kissi ka koi bhi view ho sakta hai . so pareshan nahi hona..

well i m happy k yahan sab sahi hia..




















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Very Good Kaam ki Baat per apni Opinion na dema...SHIKAYETIYONN ki baat sun ker foran Hazir ho gaye

OK.

Kiya Ok...

I SHUT UP !!!!

I think point's well taken.

People of all idologies try to capitalize on opportunities they either created or presented to them to foward their own ideology. By same token, Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa should either create or take advantage of condusive situation, and they have done it in the past. I agree eith most of what NB and badal said, but I agree wid Sall that writer propogates and trying to drive opinion to one side - by that I don't mean a negative remark on the writer - as opposed to purely educational piece. Only thing I want to resonate of Sall is better than pointing fingures at people and their ideologies is to promote and propogate what you believe in. That too can be part of promotional strategy but not the centre of it.

Enemies of Islam and Muslims wasted no opportunity to put harm in its way. Brave servants of Islam and slaves of Allah resisted them with permission from Him.

Key to their success was their desire for Islam to prevail. They lived it before they took it to others. Unfortunately, many if not most, keep religion a private matter and limited to places of worship. They want their lives run by a system counter to Islam but rituals of life by some convoluted religious beliefs. If given opportunity, A great number of paki families would like their kids educated in West.

Vast majority of children (Muslim) attend government or private schools in West with either secular or christian ideologies embedded in curricula. Parents of many refuse to bring children to islamic schools - running at par or even better than government or pvt schools.

Priests and ministers in churches reassured church-goers in US of christianizing Muslim kids. They wanted Muslims to build masajid and hold prayers there. They want them to feel comfortable in it but send kids to them in the form of schools where they will be given 8 hours of christian / secular education. they will later spend 2-3 hours in front of tv watching christian / secular programs. Thus spend largest portiom of their day absorbing counter-islam ideologies. So what damage control masajid cud do if they only attended masjid once a week (Friday) or some occasional prayers.

Bottom line is, people like to follow a successful model. Those who have built their image and reputation of success, no matter how hollow it may be, people like to adopt those.

what's the source of this article. do we know where and when it was published?

Smooth_daddy:

what's the source of this article. do we know where and when it was published?

http://www.quran-o-sunnah.com/khas/khas/agha_khani_ismaili01 .shtml

Thanks NB

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