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Law, without force, is impotent - Pascal

Making law is what legislature is supposed to do, but equally important is the execution. Which is the responsibility of the Executive or the Bureaucracy. And this needs to be done with force. Force to an extent which is necessary to execute and prevail the rule of law. As a part of executive, I myself now believes that as a society itself we are not keen to implement that particular force specially when it touches the delicacy of our comfort zone.

Kindly Share your opinion and I appreciate if you can stick to the topic...

Posted on 3/8/2009 4:08:07 AM

your talking about due process, as the common man rearly comes into contact with the goverment only if he has done a criminal/ civil wrong.

i believe fundermentaly, their is a diffrence between law and justice,

Law= manmade, forever changing and flawed

Jusitce= only comes from divine, ALLAH gives justice.

no matter how robust and tatile the law is made, innocents always get convicted, people always fall to the ills of bribery.

i think the true Justice is Natural Justice

(dont argue with me in a law degree student lol)

Posted on 3/9/2009 12:37:00 AM

Asian:
your talking about due process, as the common man rearly comes into contact with the goverment only if he has done a criminal/ civil wrong.

i believe fundermentaly, their is a diffrence between law and justice,

Law= manmade, forever changing and flawed

Jusitce= only comes from divine, ALLAH gives justice.

no matter how robust and tatile the law is made, innocents always get convicted, people always fall to the ills of bribery.

i think the true Justice is Natural Justice

(dont argue with me in a law degree student lol)


Well you missed the point. I am asking about your opinion on the degree of force which executive should thrust in order to prevail the rule of law. Specially if it concerns executive itself.

I second you that there is a fundamental distinction between law and justice. But on the other hand your concepts are quite amateurish regarding law and justice itself considering you pursuing a degree in law. No offense meant.

Let me clarify it:

Law is a system of rules, generally enforced through a set of institutions. Judiciary is one such institution, which provides justice. Justice is the concept which determines righteous on the basis of law, morals, ethics and rationality et cetra.

P.S. Btw, From where are you studying?

Posted on 3/9/2009 1:29:45 AM

lol, none! they do not have the right to enforce power on people,

you don't see the bigger picture, ok let me ask

before captialism, and western civilisation (don't know about the civil bit)

why did other society's thrive before, if we go back to basics, the state was not a state in the sense that, the few did not controll the many.

the worlds wealth is only controlled by 3% of the population, and the day the world rejects the concept of state and so called order, that will be a very intresting day

take where i live, i believe its already a police state, with the into of anti terrorism law, no due process is given to people under suspicion,

through the world the goverments have turned to the crime controll model (i.e. guilty before innocent, concerning revenge rarther then rehabilitation)

i think, the minmume state interfearence the better, criminals should be tried by societys standards and not pigion holed into catagories

the system here is, Judicial, Excecutive, Parlimentairy
                      judges,     Queen,    ;   Elected,

you cannot ignore justice if you look at law, its why laws become unenforceable. take the law of unlawfull killing, it was set out by Hazraat Musa PBUH.

i like to look at not just how, but why, i spend most of my time reading the hansard (Parlimentairy debate scriptures) as to why a bill has become legislation.

by the way i my majory in college was Religion and Philosophy

i like to look at the bigger picture on law, not just the athiest, big fart theory side

Posted on 3/9/2009 1:39:07 AM

I strongly agree that majority of crimes are committed due to lack of opportunity to the needy. And I second you that rehabilitation should be a practice instead of blind force.

But, in order to carry out the business of government. The executive should take some unpopular decisions which in turn maintains the writ of the government.

I apologize but I am not very fond of religious debate. Neither I agree with your take on the bigger picture.

Posted on 3/9/2009 1:55:54 AM

well i believe the corruption of man, is when he turns away from religion, look at the Egyptians, Aztecs,

were they not of a secular nature? see faith defines who and what we are,

its an old afgani saying it takes a village to raise a child, the state cannot enforce law in the sense that, law must be agreed on common values, and that the indivudual must fear more then the legislation, but the dissrespectfull look of his peers and ofcourse divine wrath

take religion out of it, you get, kids making kids, people killing, women being used, femminsim, captialism, and any other ism you can think of lol

Posted on 3/9/2009 2:07:06 AM

I wanted to discuss this thread in context of social and legal paradigm. But now it turns out to be a religious debate.

I believe in all advantages of religion, faith and their associated concepts.

Muzhabi Behas hum nay kabhi ki nahi
Kionkay falto akhal hum main thi nahi

Posted on 3/9/2009 2:13:31 AM

your talking to a law student man lol

ok i think the state only has the will of the masses, its not a power unto itself, as the anti terror laws have shown,


the ciziens rights must be protected reguardless of qguilty or innocents.

Posted on 3/9/2009 2:18:00 AM

Citizen Rights should be protected.

Its more lethal to talk with a student. Students are very enthused about the utopia. Because they tend to think they understand everything. This is a very good sign. I myself was very much of this attitude given I wasnt sleeping.

Posted on 3/9/2009 2:26:36 AM

heyyyy

STUDENTS RULEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Posted on 3/9/2009 1:54:37 PM

Yeah they do.


Posted on 3/9/2009 6:43:37 PM

students k apna he rule hen

Posted on 3/9/2009 7:44:48 PM

yeah

were sxi's pepsi

Posted on 3/10/2009 2:16:56 PM

Asian is one of her kind...

Posted on 3/10/2009 9:42:50 PM

yes i am,

ALLAH gave reham on the world after i was sent,

NO MORE ASIANS

Posted on 3/14/2009 11:25:14 PM

Enforcing law is important but more important is to eradicate the reasons which make an individual dis-obey the law.

Posted on 3/15/2009 11:04:07 PM

castro:
Enforcing law is important but more important is to eradicate the reasons which make an individual dis-obey the law.


to phir roti, kapra makaan ki baat aati hai.
that's what no one can give to the poor.
but i agree in some level that law without enforcement is impotent (within some limit)
but if u use enforcement, wouldn't people go more against it?   

Posted on 3/15/2009 11:09:23 PM

I agree.

Posted on 3/16/2009 4:26:44 AM

so are laws needed or enforcement?

bad laws can be enforced well

and good laws can be enforced badly

its all about balance

something which a captalist society can never give

Posted on 3/17/2009 2:04:03 AM

I think its your hobby to bring religion in everything. I think religion is more of a personal thing.

Posted on 3/17/2009 2:53:51 AM

not religion


captalism

its not religous in orgin

Posted on 3/17/2009 3:03:24 AM

hmmm...

Posted on 3/17/2009 4:30:12 AM

i made you THINK

Posted on 3/17/2009 3:28:14 PM

Asian:
i made you THINK


No I am just trying to ignore you...

Posted on 3/17/2009 10:26:36 PM

how can you ignore a sxi pepsi like me

Posted on 3/18/2009 11:11:00 PM

Asian:
how can you ignore a sxi pepsi like me


Dream ...

Posted on 3/19/2009 12:12:27 AM

na im serious

im feeling lovie dovie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bioh4Xq51u4

Posted on 3/19/2009 1:13:05 AM

Asian:
na im serious

im feeling lovie dovie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bioh4Xq51u4


You are so much

Posted on 3/19/2009 4:52:59 AM



i know you love me

Posted on 3/19/2009 6:58:14 PM

Asian:


i know you love me



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Posted on 3/20/2009 3:09:55 AM