"Parda" an issue???

Chandramuki said:

Smooth_daddy said:

What would a girl prefer while talking to men (a decent girl), they meet and pay attention to her body before attending to an intelligent person?

What's more respectable for a girl in the onlooking gazes to be a human or a sex object

Well a decent girl shouldn't be free mixing anyway. If she's so keen on presenting herself as an intelligent person she should be doing intelligent things (like getting a degree/working as a professional/ being a good mother etc) and then her actions would speak for intelligence themself.

Issue here is not free mixing or socializing. It is how someone is viwed (perception) based on the outlook. Modesty, defined and practised by the Prophet and his companions, earns women respect for that they are humans and not objects of pleasure for the lusty eyes of indecent men.

Do you think women who are doing intelligent things their physique are not preyed upon by such filthy gazes?

Do you really think that men would pay attention to their intelligence when their eyes are charmed with the beauty of a girl?

Smooth_daddy said:

What would a girl prefer while talking to men (a decent girl), they meet and pay attention to her body before attending to an intelligent person?

What's more respectable for a girl in the onlooking gazes to be a human or a sex object

i didnt say that
wot im saying is,,,, nothing,, nothinnnn,, NOTHING allow a man to have bad intentions toward a woman,,, chahe woh jiss bhi halat mei ho

Chandramuki said:

Men aren't meant to admire a unrealted women's anything.

But you know what? Hijab does make a women look respectful, and although most men want a girlfriend who's a tart they want to marry a women who's never even seen a guy and kept herself hidden from their eyes.

exactly

matlab yeh hua k
pb is not in wearing hijab or not
pb is our sick minds,,,,,,
(it doesnt mean k hijab pehena mere liye galt hai)

me aise shaks se baat tak karna nahi pasand karu gi jo meri respect kare aur baki aurton ki nahi
aik ghatya zehniyat ka shaks meri izzat kare bhi to kya fark parta hai ???
shadi to door ki baat..................

Smooth_daddy said:

Chandramuki said:

Smooth_daddy said:

What would a girl prefer while talking to men (a decent girl), they meet and pay attention to her body before attending to an intelligent person?

What's more respectable for a girl in the onlooking gazes to be a human or a sex object

Well a decent girl shouldn't be free mixing anyway. If she's so keen on presenting herself as an intelligent person she should be doing intelligent things (like getting a degree/working as a professional/ being a good mother etc) and then her actions would speak for intelligence themself.

Issue here is not free mixing or socializing. It is how someone is viwed (perception) based on the outlook. Modesty, defined and practised by the Prophet and his companions, earns women respect for that they are humans and not objects of pleasure for the lusty eyes of indecent men.

Do you think women who are doing intelligent things their physique are not preyed upon by such filthy gazes?

Do you really think that men would pay attention to their intelligence when their eyes are charmed with the beauty of a girl?

Yes but for men who have a truely dirty mind how does parda stop them perving? They can just undress with their eyes, and the hijab would just add an element of 'mystery' making them think things like "I wonder how beautiful she is that she has to hide her face."

Back in Pakistan I heard an account of this pervert following a women in full burka home, because he wanted to see what she was hiding under the hijab. He was dissapointed to find an old women

In this project we did in college (about 4 years ago), me and my team asked a group of people (mixed gender) what they thought of a pic of a women in full hijab.

Two of the most outrages replies were:

"She's opperessed"

and

"Beautiful women. Very romantic looking." (this from an elderly white man.

SALL said:

Smooth_daddy said:

What would a girl prefer while talking to men (a decent girl), they meet and pay attention to her body before attending to an intelligent person?

What's more respectable for a girl in the onlooking gazes to be a human or a sex object

i didnt say that
wot im saying is,,,, nothing,, nothinnnn,, NOTHING allow a man to have bad intentions toward a woman,,, chahe woh jiss bhi halat mei ho

You're right Sall, but we can't control what people think. But I think men are most likely to have lustfull thoughts for a women dressed like Bipasha Basu than a women wearing less (or no) provacative clothing.

SALL said:

Smooth_daddy said:

What would a girl prefer while talking to men (a decent girl), they meet and pay attention to her body before attending to an intelligent person?

What's more respectable for a girl in the onlooking gazes to be a human or a sex object

i didnt say that
wot im saying is,,,, nothing,, nothinnnn,, NOTHING allow a man to have bad intentions toward a woman,,, chahe woh jiss bhi halat mei ho

I think to a certain point it would natural to be attracted to a beautiful women, but unless she's dressed to attract attention, then the man should avert his gaze - and yes unless it's a brothal it's rude to stare at anyone.

Smooth_daddy said:

Chandramuki said:

Smooth_daddy said:

What would a girl prefer while talking to men (a decent girl), they meet and pay attention to her body before attending to an intelligent person?

What's more respectable for a girl in the onlooking gazes to be a human or a sex object

Well a decent girl shouldn't be free mixing anyway. If she's so keen on presenting herself as an intelligent person she should be doing intelligent things (like getting a degree/working as a professional/ being a good mother etc) and then her actions would speak for intelligence themself.

Issue here is not free mixing or socializing. It is how someone is viwed (perception) based on the outlook. Modesty, defined and practised by the Prophet and his companions, earns women respect for that they are humans and not objects of pleasure for the lusty eyes of indecent men.

Do you think women who are doing intelligent things their physique are not preyed upon by such filthy gazes?

Do you really think that men would pay attention to their intelligence when their eyes are charmed with the beauty of a girl?

You're stereotyping all men. Not all men are nyphomaniacs, you do get decent men as well. Like I said attraction is natural, but pervting (if univited)is wrong and believe it or not, you can tell when a man is checking you out, snapping at him will embarrass him and he's not likely to do it again.

a girl with parda....ALLAH KNOWS KESE WOH KESI HAI...kuch tu deikhane ke liye parda karti hain

Chandramuki said:

I think to a certain point it would natural to be attracted to a beautiful women, but unless she's dressed to attract attention, then the man should avert his gaze - and yes unless it's a brothal it's rude to stare at anyone.

its also natural for a woman to look beautiful
she s not allowed to show her beauty is an other thing

same with men,,, its natural for them to b attracted toward a beautiful woman,, but they r not allowed to think wotever abt her
gair aurat pe doosri nazar na dalo, kyunk pehli nazar tumhari aur doosri shetan ki hoti hai,,,

a man expecting his family women to cover theirselves has nothng to do in a brothel

parda or hijab mei koi bhii burai nahi hai
yeh aurat ki hifazat k liye hein

hamare han larkiyon ko apni hifazat karne ka wahid yeh tareeka sikhaya jata hai,,, cover urself,, stay away from guyz
koi mard ko nahi sikhayata k apni aurton ki hifazat ka aik aur tareeka bhi hai,,, doosron ki behnon ki izzat karo Allah miyan tumhari izzat rakhein ge

so the bottom line issssssss,,,,,
kissi society se burai tab tak khatam nahi hogi jab dono taraf pabandi nahi lagai jae gi,, sirf parde se sudharna hota to countries like saudia jannat hote

SALL said:

kissi society se burai tab tak khatam nahi hogi jab dono taraf pabandi nahi lagai jae gi,, sirf parde se sudharna hota to countries like saudia jannat hote

Islam only commands restrictions on hearts that are willing to accept it out of love and fear of Allah.

For every injunction in Quran, it either follows of followed by the word "taqwa" or its derviatives - meaning for those who fear Allah - having deep rooted Iman.

We claim to be believers but we look for reasons to get away from any restrictions of Islam. We are the best judges of Iman in our hearts. Allah knows what's in the heart.

Instead of looking at others and judging people, we'll be better off looking inwards and judging that.

I intended to respond to some postings from yesterday but it kept kicking me out. I wrote to the mod but haven't heard anything yet. I decided to try my luck again.

Issue here is not free mixing or socializing. It is how someone is viewed (perception) based on the outlook. Modesty, in the way Prophet and his companions defined and practiced, earns women respect for that they are humans and not objects of pleasure for the lusty eyes of indecent men.

Do you think women who are doing intelligent things their physique are not preyed upon by such filthy gazes?

Do you really think that men would pay attention to their intelligence when their eyes are charmed with the beauty of a girl?

Smooth_daddy said:

I intended to respond to some postings from yesterday but it kept kicking me out. I wrote to the mod but haven't heard anything yet. I decided to try my luck again.

Issue here is not free mixing or socializing. It is how someone is viewed (perception) based on the outlook. Modesty, in the way Prophet and his companions defined and practiced, earns women respect for that they are humans and not objects of pleasure for the lusty eyes of indecent men.

Do you think women who are doing intelligent things their physique are not preyed upon by such filthy gazes?

Do you really think that men would pay attention to their intelligence when their eyes are charmed with the beauty of a girl?

Okay try this vice versa, do you think women who are wearing hijab are not preyed upon by filthy gazes? What says that a lech has to be discriminate?

Like Sall said, it's the man's responsibility to have respect and good manners towards women, regardless of what they are wearing.

And you're speaking of men as if they are these mindless nyphos who have no choice but to be 'charmed' by attractive women, like women not wearing hijab are these seductive beings or snakes - who must be hidden away to protect the good of society. Men have an equal obligation of looking the other way if a women is not wearing hijab.

Smooth_daddy said:

Do you really think that men would pay attention to their intelligence when their eyes are charmed with the beauty of a girl?

Yes I do, because I know not all men are nyphomaniacs. Professional, mature (in menatality not necessarily age) and decent men would pay attention to the words coming out of a women's mouth.

Chandramuki said:

Okay try this vice versa, do you think women who are wearing hijab are not preyed upon by filthy gazes? What says that a lech has to be discriminate?

Not as much as those who are with hijab. Allah SWT stated the reason in the Quran for why women should wear hijab, "O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks all over their bodies. That will be better, that they should be known, so as not to be annoyed" [33:59]

Chandramuki said:

Like Sall said, it's the man's responsibility to have respect and good manners towards women, regardless of what they are wearing.

I guess you skipped my response above - pls see that.

Chandramuki said:

And you're speaking of men as if they are these mindless nyphos who have no choice but to be 'charmed' by attractive women

Its an understatement of a known fact of centuries.

I believe not many women know before steping out of home which men would lustfully look upon them and which would care less; I don't know about you!

Chandramuki said:

like women not wearing hijab are these seductive beings or snakes - who must be hidden away to protect the good of society.

I am sorry, you feel that way, but in reality it is for their own protection and sense of security.

Chandramuki said:

Men have an equal obligation of looking the other way if a women is not wearing hijab.

I agree with you that men have equal responsibility to lower their gaze regardless of women wearing hijab or not.
But........I must reiterate: Women have twice the responsibility. I say this based on Quranic evidence. Allah SWT ordered both men and women to lower their gazes but ordered women ONLY to cover themselves with a cloak over their garments.

Bottom line: Just like all injunctions in the Quran, it is in people's own favor to follow commandments of Allah - in this life and in the hereafter. And if they ignored His commands, it will be of harm to them in this life and in the hereafter. Everybody have choice to take it or leave it but no one has the right to change Allah's words.

Yes no doubt that women should wear parda, and I take it it's also settled that man should lower their gazes I still think it's an equal responsibilty for both genders though.

Women should do all she can to reduce the amount of unwanted attention in public, be it dressing decently to not speaking too loudly. If men still see her with wrong intentions, then so what? She's done her part and the rest is up to God to punish where necessary.

When SD you say that women have a double responsibility to prevent themselves from being seen by men, it's true, because men are more likely to rape a women than a women to rape a man.

Islam takes the problem by its roots instead of treating the branches of it.

Allah swt says in the Quran: "Do not even draw close to indecency". Parda prevents desires for indecent behaviors. Rape is the end result (behavior) of minds and bodies where carnal desires are not leashed. Among many factor running up to this behavior include provocation of sexual desires. Such extreme desires result from exposures to viewing objects of desire in an attractive fashion.

Well it's a universal fact that Islam teaches the best way of life hence it is called a 'deen' a way to live and not just rituals to follow.

Oh I think I went off on a tangent with this thread. I hope you got the answer to your question Friend 16

well actually i know the answer of the question all i need was some comments and votes ..

as long as comments are concerned .. SD really helped me out... JazakAllah khairan for that SD..

and for both Sall and chand....
everybody looks at a thing from his/her point of view .. but as long as religion is concerned we have to be very carefull understanding it, coz things which we are understanding sometimes its the other way out .. we have to look and understand it from all aspects..

jazana wa eyya kum

u r ritttttte saheliiiiiii



b vv careful to understand before imposing anything to anyone
yehi to me bhi keh rahi thi naaaaaa


parde mei rehne dooooooooooooooo
.....

yarr sorry something s wrong with me,,
edit my posts adminnnnnnnnnss mods

Smooth_daddy said:

jazana wa eyya kum

i dono its meaning ... (its in reply of jazakAllah khairan? rite! )

SALL said:

u r ritttttte saheliiiiiii



b vv careful to understand before imposing anything to anyone
yehi to me bhi keh rahi thi naaaaaa


parde mei rehne dooooooooooooooo
.....

yarr sorry something s wrong with me,,
edit my posts adminnnnnnnnnss mods

not to mention sall..

khair people opinion does matters .. pata nahi kyun .. is liay logon ko bhee chahyee kay sooch ker bola karein ..

meaning He may reaward me and you

Smooth_daddy said:

meaning He may reward me and you

alrite.. i heard this for the 1st time, can u quote me some hadit or something .. i mean where did u come know this from??

Its not from hadith but it is from the etiquettes of Arabs. When some one makes dua for you, you return it with at least the same. Supporting hadith (roughly translated)is that smiling to a brother (sister) is charity. Respond to to your brother (sister) in at least the same manner.

ahaan .. JazakAllah kharian is bascially from a hadit .. i thought "jazana wa eyya kum" is also from a hadit ...

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