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Badal

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani claimed:

"Mahdi is not anyone’s student... I swear that this is exactly my condition Nobody can prove that any human has taught me Quran or Hadith or Tafseer..." (Roohani Khazain Vol 14 p. 394 by Mirza Qadiani)

Here is the real screenshot from his book.



But he also wrote:

"When I was 6-7 years old a person teacher was employed for me who taught me Holy Quran and some farsi books and his name was Fazal Ilahi." (Roohani Khazain Vol 13. P. 180)

"At 10 years of age an Arabic Teacher was appointed for me whose name was Fazal Ahmed." (Roohani Khazain Vol 13. P. 180)

"When I was 17 -18 years of age I was educated by another Molvi Saheb whose name was Gul Ali Shah, who was appointed by my father in Qadian to teach me." (Roohani Khazain Vol 13. P. 180)

Here is the real screenshot from his book.



Regardles of whether he was a prophet or not, can such claims that were prooved false by himself be made by a prophet?

Posted 13 Jun 2005

@badal

yaar ab rehne do. Anhazrat (saws) was ummi nabi, anparrh. but as he died, he could read and write somethings. he has learnt this from sahaba.

regardind Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (as), as everybody could see, he just learnt the basics of arabic and as u might have laernt quran by a teacher, too, who must not a mufasser or muhaddis or a master of religion, but just a normal teacher, who is teaching u the basics, not the deep meanings of what behind the words is. the same are these teachers, they were not mufassir or muhaddis or something else, unknown persons.

on the other hand. as hazrat moosa (as) was called by Allah to be a nabi, he himself hesitated to be one and asked Allah, that he has killed one person. Allah ne nabi banana hai, nabi ne khud nabi nahi ban na.

on the other hand, we dont know, which book was written first. he wrote more than 82 books.

and on the other hand, do u give a quarantee, that if this question is replied satisfull, u will accept it? dont do the same practice as christians doing against islam, seraching the contradictions in quran and asking themselves, whether this religion is right or not.

first let us discuss about the basics.

is hazrat Isa (as) living or dead?
can there be a prophet (without any new law) or not?

inn massayel se to niklaiN pehle, aage ki baat bhi kar lete haiN.


Please read this note about my opinion
Posted 14 Jun 2005

Badal says
What i tried to say in this topic becomes very obvious from your own books. Any person can understand it easily.

Djeedja Shareef said:

@badal

yaar ab rehne do. Anhazrat (saws) was ummi nabi, anparrh. but as he died, he could read and write somethings. he has learnt this from sahaba.

regardind Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (as), as everybody could see, he just learnt the basics of arabic and as u might have laernt quran by a teacher, too, who must not a mufasser or muhaddis or a master of religion, but just a normal teacher, who is teaching u the basics, not the deep meanings of what behind the words is. the same are these teachers, they were not mufassir or muhaddis or something else, unknown persons.



"hamary Nabi (SAW) nay aur Nabiyoon ki tarah zahiri ilm kisi ustad say nahi parha, magar Hazrat isa aur Hazrat Mosa maktaboon main bethay thay" that is visible in the first screenshot, isnt it?

Now he claimed that unhoon nay bhi kisi ustad say ilm hasil nahi kiya (whether in depth or not, as our Prophet), jo kay unhoon nay khud hi ghalat sabit kar diya.

"aur Hazrat Isa nay aik yahoodi ustad say Toraat parhi thi" that is also visible in screenshot. He claimed that he is not like that, but he did studied Quran from a teacher, as he himself wrote.

Posted 14 Jun 2005

Badal says
Djeedja Shareef said:

on the other hand, we dont know, which book was written first. he wrote more than 82 books.



Dont tell me that yaar. He started writing books from 1972 onwards (while he born on 1935, 37 years of age then) i can proove it from your own material, while he started studing Quran from a teacher at the age of 6/7.

Posted 14 Jun 2005

@badal

itni beheass me jaanay ki zaroorat hi nahi, bhai jaan. aap mujhe kuch jawab de deN, main aap ko kuch jawab de deta huN. otherwise aap apni karte raheN main apni karta rehta huN. jiss type ke sawal aap kar rahe haiN, yeh to jaari raheN ge, i am sure, aap ne khud to koi kitaab nahi parrhi Mirza ghulam ahmad(as) ki. bass kahiN say aitrazat ka bundle utha laaye. so yeh to khatam nahi hone. inn ka jawab aap official website par talash kijiye.

pehle yeh bataye, waisay aap Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) ki baat tasleem nahi karte, yeh ussatizah wali kioN tassleem kar li? phir agar tassleem ki bhi to baaqi kioN nahi tassleem karte?
phir yeh ke yeh sabit karna to aap par hai abhi lazim ke konse ustad se taleem hassil ki unhoN ne?
ab chotte scholloN me parrhanay wale ko bhi ustad hi kehte hain magar woh koi mana hua ustad thorra hi hota hai. ab aap idher bhi aik lafz "ustad" ko pakarr ke baith jaayen to kuch kiya nahi jasakta, bhai jaan.

"quran aur hadees me kissi ustad ka shagird nahi hoga" means for me, kissi maane hue zamanay ke ustad ka shagird nahi hoga.

ab maulvi fazal ilahi, sahib ko koi nahi janta ke unn ka quran me kitna ilm hai, haaN yeh hoga ke unn se quran parrhna seekha hoga, like every urdu-bacha seekhta hai. aap ne bhi seekha hai, main ne bhi ustani sahiba se seekha hai, magar siraf arbi parrhni, waisay unn se agar kissi lafz ka matlab bhi poochuN to unheN nahi aata hoga. this is light difference. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) ke zamanay me maane hue ustad maujood the, jinn sabb ne aap ki kitaab "baraheen-e-ahmadiyya" ki itni tareefeN ki, bad me magar jabb dawa kiya Masih maud hone ka to wuhi dushman bann gaye. to janab, sabit to abhi aap ne karna hai ke kissi ustad ke shagird the.

aur ab hamare sawalat ka bhi jawab de deN zara. jo pehle bhi kiye aur ab bhi kar dete haiN.

hazrat Isa(as) faut ho gaye ya nahi?
koi ghair-sharii prophet ummat me asakta hai ya nahi?

pehle basics decide kar lijiye, aap ko sabb kuch samajh aajayegi. jabb naali meN phanssa hua pathar ni nikala jaaye uss waqat takk paani aage behta nahi hai, aik hi jaga par kharra reh jata hai. so pathar hatayiye.
Posted 14 Jun 2005

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