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sure friend!
              aik pure lohay ki sheet lo ussay fold karoo uss kay undaar mouse ore keyboard ki chips wagera rukh doe phir nazdeki bijli kay khumbay sei 1000 Ws ki taar ka uss kay sath direct connection kaar doe. phir juldi sei lux sei hath doe ore towel sei rub karnay sei pehlay mouse ko zoor sei pakar loo..



haha, funnie? I THINK NOT!
Posted 25 Nov 2004

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yup pls give me the links so that i can get more info...but i must thx u already for such relevant and good points u gave me...
Posted 19 Nov 2004

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MR PERFECT said:

which culture we talkin' abt here?! pakistani?

i'm takin' mass communications in university. we just got thru learning abt mass media + cultural identity (how the media effects cultural change in the areas u listed). i might be able 2 help...



yup pakistani
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GO HAMAS GO
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death to sharon and bush and perhaps to israel and america 2...sorrie 2 any israeli or american here but....
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dats gr8
Posted 09 Nov 2004

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Posted 06 Nov 2004

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i dun like her...she was a receptionist @ depilex and i saw her too once when i went for some mehndi or somethin...
Posted 06 Nov 2004

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yo pls sum1 find me a detailed pic of shalimar garden on net
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SALL said:


hmmm,, akele akele chale gae
not fair,,, unn ki poori family udaas ho jae gi abba jii k bager



dats not funnie
Posted 01 Nov 2004

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Introduction:

Language is the most important aspect of culture. It is the dominant feature
in determining nationality or ethnicity. It is the binding force that unites
a people, and makes them distinct from others. Language represents a people's heritage and identity. However, the imposition of Urdu as the national language of Pakistan has been disastrous to the country.

Background:

Urdu language evolved during the declining period of Muslim rule in South
Asia. But Persian (Farsi) always remained the official language of South Asia during the Muslim rule. The base of most South
Asian Muslim empires was in north India, particularly in Delhi and
surrounding areas. With the passage of time, due to the constant interaction
between the ruled Khari-boli-speaking north Indian Hindu masses and the
ruling Persian-Turkic-speaking Muslim elite, a new language slowly evolved
called Hindustani, whose Persianized form came to be known as Urdu.

Urdu as National Language:

Upon Pakistan's creation, the peak of Urduization process became a reality with the imposition of Urdu on the non-Urdu speaking peoples of Pakistan, in the form of Urdu as the national language of Pakistan. Except for the 7% of Pakistanis who are north Indian Muslim migrants or their
descendents, also known as Muhajirs, whose mother-tongue is Urdu, none of the other Pakistanis have anything to do with Urdu. In fact, imposition of Urdu is resented among many peoples of Pakistan. The loss of East Pakistan was also mostly due to imposition of Urdu on Bengalees. There were language riots in Sindh during the 70s. In spite of its status as the national language, however, only 8% of Pakistanis speak Urdu as their first language with about 48% speaking Punjabi as a mother tongue. It is, however, the language of prestige and all signage, and literacy is compulsory in the Pakistani school system. As time goes by, more and more Pakistanis of Punjabi or other background are speaking Urdu as a first language. It is evident that the number of native Urdu speakers is increasing quickly in urban centers. And basically Urdu is resisted in much of the country. If many people have learnt Urdu, it is simply because they are forced to do so, for social and economic communicational necessities under the Urdu-dominated system of the country. Instead of Urdu, why was not Arabic or Persian made the national language of Pakistan? At least, Arabic is the language of Islam (of Quran), thus naturally it would had been more accepted among Pakistanis. Also, Persian was another logical option, because of its historical role of being the official language in the region (Muslim and other periods), and would have made us closer to the Muslim brothers on our western borders.

National language is suppose to unite a country, but in Pakistan, Urdu as the
national language has caused division and resentment among most Pakistanis.
But the worse part is that Urdu being a north Indian language and foreign to
Pakistan is slowly destroying the local languages/cultures, and "Indianizing"
the native Pakistanis. Many of the native languages of Pakistan are already in danger of being extinct, mostly due to Urdu imposition. Pakistan was created mostly based on our cultural distinctiveness, unfortunately, Urdu-imposition is only forcefully making us artificially closer to India. And with this linguistic imperialism, also comes other aspects of cultural invasion. For example, north Indian music/TV/film dominates in Pakistan, whereas
native Pakistani music/film/TV is largely ignored by the Urdu dominated media.

We Pakistanis are greatful to Quaid-e-Azam for his efforts in the creation of Pakistan, however, as a human being he was not perfect. Jinnah's choice of Urdu as the national language of Pakistan was his biggest mistake with
long-term negative consequences. Criticizing Urdu as the national language of
Pakistan might be very painful to many Pakistanis. But ignoring this issue
with falsehoods and illusions will only worsen the problem.

My View:

Let us be open-minded and cease Urdu as the national language of Pakistan. At the same time, Urdu language should be respected, and people given the freedom to learn or speak it. Promoting native languages to become the official languages of their respective provinces or districts is the best solution to the problem. All native languages of Pakistan should be declared as the national languages of Pakistan. This will ensure the preservation of our language/culture, unity and respect between the various ethnicities, and
pride and distinctiveness in our Pakistani nationhood. If a multi-lingual
country like Switzerland can have a successful multi-linguistic system, then
so can we. Let us make change for our betterment before it’s too late.


Official Language:

All languages of Pakistan are oppressed. Fifty three years after the so-called independence English continues as the official language and graduates from non-English medium schools face a job market in the control of these colonial forces bent on the total destruction of all Pakistani languages. The plain fact is that as long as English remains as the official language of Pakistan it will be difficult to create a vibrant national spirit or culture. The status of national language is meaningless unless it is allowed to assume the role of official language, and as the medium of universal instruction within the country. Language is a potent force in the promotion of nationalism and national cohesion.





this is wat i wrote after gettin info from net BUT i still dont have the answer as 2 wat shud be the off language if not urdu...
Posted 29 Oct 2004

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SALL said:

u r rite
but WE dont get marry to live a "peaceful life"
we get marry to LIVE



depends on who is gettin married
Posted 25 Oct 2004

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SALL said:


lekin i think iss se koi fark nahi parta
hamare haan aik saath rehne liye aik doosre ko samajhna ya aik doosre ko pasand karna zaroori nahi hai


lol i think it is necessary in oder 2 live a peacefull life
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hehe dats a very cute way of describing it
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SALL said:

hmmm,,

okk tell me....
u all must have heard that jism ka aik chota sa hissa bhi na paak ho to namaz nahi hoti

par agar na-paaki hamare dil mei ho,,
tab namaz ho jati hai kya ????



isnt dil part of yr body? it is na! so u have answered yr own question in yr post ...ok i know u meant like na-paki of mind as in the thoughts n all..well definately niyat is the key word here and if u dont have a good niyat i dun think there is any use of yr sayin namaz...
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hmmm good
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tx
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its ok shaista...

here'z wat i put 2gether;

Q; Why was Pakistan made?
Introduction:
The basis of creation of Pakistan is the “Two Nation Theory”. Which states that Muslims and Hindus are two separate nations from every definition; therefore Muslims should have a separate homeland, where they can spend their lives according to the glorious teachings of Islam.

Background:
The ideology of Pakistan stems from the instinct of the Muslim community of South Asia to maintain their individuality by resisting all attempts by the Hindu society to absorb it. Muslims of South Asia believe that Islam and Hinduism are not only two religions, but also two social orders that have given birth to two distinct cultures with no similarities. A deep study of the history of this land proves that the differences between Hindus and Muslims were not confined to the struggle for political supremacy, but were also manifested in the clash of two social orders. Despite living together for more than a thousand years, they continued to develop different cultures and traditions. Their eating habits, music, architecture and script, are all poles apart. Even the language they speak and the dresses they wear are entirely different. The ideology of Pakistan took shape through an evolutionary process. Historical experience provided the base; with Sir Syed Ahmad Khan began the period of Muslim self-awakening; Allama Iqbal provided the philosophical explanation; Quaid-i-Azam translated it into a political reality; and the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, by passing Objectives Resolution in March 1949, gave it legal sanction. It was due to the realization of Muslims of South Asia that they are different from the Hindus that they demanded separate electorates. When they realized that their future in a 'Democratic India' dominated by Hindu majority was not safe; they put forward their demand for a separate state.
The basis of Muslim’s nationhood is neither territorial, racial, linguistic nor ethnic; rather they are a nation because they belong to the same faith, Islam. On this basis they consider it their fundamental right to be entitled to self-determination. They demanded that areas where they were in majority should be constituted into a sovereign state, wherein they would be enabled to order their lives in individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings of Holy Quran and Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (S. A. W.). They further want their state to strengthen the bonds of unity among Muslim countries.
The speech made by Quaid-i-Azam at Minto Park, Lahore on March 22, 1940 was very similar to Al-Biruni's thesis in theme and tone. In this speech, he stated that Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, with different social customs and literature. Their outlook on life and of life is different. He emphasized that in spite of the passage of about 1,000 years the relations between the Hindus and Muslims could not attain the level of cordiality.
In the beginning, one could find the Muslims and Hindus struggling for supremacy in the battlefield. Starting with the war between Muhammad bin Qasim and Raja Dahir in 712, With the advent of the British rule in India in 1858, Hindu-Muslim relations entered a new phase. The British brought with them a new political philosophy commonly known as 'territorial nationalism'. Before the coming of the British, there was no concept of a 'nation' in South Asia and the region had never been a single political unit. The British concept of a nation did not fit the religious-social system of South Asia. The British political system, commonly known as 'democracy', gave majority the right to rule. But unlike Britain, the basis of majority and minority in South Asia was not political but religious and ethnic. The attempt to enforce the British political model in South Asia, instead of solving the political problems, only served to make the situation more complex. The Hindus supported the idea while it was strongly opposed by the Muslims. The Muslims refused to go the British way. They claimed that they were a separate nation and the basis of their nation was the common religion Islam. They refused to accept a political system that would reduce them to a permanent minority. They first demanded separate electorates and later a separate state. Religious and cultural differences between Hindus and Muslims increased due to political rivalry under the British rule.

Conclusion:

On March 24, 1940, the Muslims finally abandoned the idea of federalism and defined a separate homeland as their target. Quaid-i-Azam considered the creation of Pakistan a means to an end and not the end in itself. He wanted Pakistan to be an Islamic and democratic state. According to his wishes and in accordance with the inspirations of the people of Pakistan, the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan passed the Objectives Resolution. The adoption of Objectives Resolution removed all doubts, if there were any, about the creation of Pakistan. The Muslims of Pakistan decided once and for all to make Pakistan a state wherein the Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in their individual and collective spheres, in accordance to the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and Sunnah.

lemme know how it is
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woho! tx alot guys for goin off track...now i m nt gonna bother reading 2 pgs of yr personal convos...cuz like i had thought nobody here is interested in real thinking questions....good bye!
Posted 19 Oct 2004

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YAye aye so true shaista
but when u drink alcohol , eat pork and not pray so that will be some signs!!



no offence but do u have a proof of that? or u just sayin that cuz u heard this from some anti-Quaid-e-Azam people who wud have prefered 2 live in india and remain servants
Posted 18 Oct 2004

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yup pls just dont say he was not a good muslim if u do not know how 2 support it cuz it is offensive 2 many people who admire him for wat he has done for us...just cuz his style was bit more english doesnt mean u rule him out as 1...and dont tell me he did all this struggle just 2 get fame come'on he sacrificed his life for us...dont put him down like this!
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hmm ok guys...i m firing one more question yr way...it wl require yr personal views and some historical facts...

Q: Why was Pakistan made?

And pls do not talk jubberish
Posted 18 Oct 2004

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ya...lol..but they do sound so alike, dont they?
Posted 17 Oct 2004

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omg how can i be so duffer...and than i was wondering how am i nt able 2 find it in shezad roy's homepage tx newayz
Posted 17 Oct 2004

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tx guys for yr inputs, views and comments...i wl get back 2 them when i m less tired
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i know most of u dont care but i m posting this here cuz it mite interest few people and mite help most of the ignorants to know abt their history this is sumthin i gathered from various sources n my own input too....


Q: When does the history of Pakistan start and why? Discuss various points of view?


Technically speaking the history of Pakistan starts from 14th august, 1947 but relatively speaking there is no definite date since when the history started. There are various points of view on this matter which we are going to discuss later on but before that we must take into account the history of Pakistan.


History of Pakistan


FOUNDATION BRICK TOWARDS CREATION OF PAKISTAN

The first brick in the foundation of Pakistan was laid in 712 A.D. when Mohammad Bin Qasim anchored at Debal Port (now known as Karachi), freed the Muslim women and children from the prisons of Raja Dahir and constructed the first mosque at the town. Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the Founder of Pakistan, acclaimed the event- "the Pakistan Movement started when the first Muslim put his foot on the soil of Sindh, the Gateway of Islam in India."


BACKGROUND TO PARTITION

The concept of a separate Muslim "nation" or "people," qaum, is inherent in Islam, but this concept bears no resemblance to a territorial entity. The proposal for a Muslim state in India was first enunciated in 1930 by the poet-philosopher Muhammad Iqbal, who suggested that the four northwestern provinces (Sindh, Balochistan, Punjab, and the North-West Frontier Province) should be joined in such a state. In a 1933 pamphlet Choudhary Rahmat Ali, a Cambridge student, coined the name Pakstan (later Pakistan), on behalf of those Muslims living in Punjab, Afghan (North-West Frontier Province), Kashmir, Sind, and Balochistan.


WAR OF INDEPENDENCE

Some people say that history of Pakistan started in 1857. Pakistan Movement is synonymous with the very spirit of Islam. The War of Independence in 1857 was an open manifestation of the Muslim spirit of revolt against the domination of the British Government and its stooges in India. Frustration and lack of direction, however, pervaded the rank of Muslims after the unfortunate failure in the War. At this critical juncture emerged Sir Syed Abroad Khan who served as a beacon light for the Muslim Nation in distress and disarray. He equated education with power and declared that the Muslims could improve their political, social and economic condition only through the medium of modem and scientific education. He cultivated the concept of a separate Muslim Nation on the basis of religion, culture and history .He inspired the Muslims of the sub-continent to demand a separate homeland where they could arrange their lives and affairs of the State according to the dictates of Holy Quran and Sunnah.

ESTABLISHMENT OF MUSLIM LEAGUE
There is another school of thought according to which history of Pakistan started with the establishment of muslim league. After the establishment of the Indian National Congress in 1885, the Muslim leaders saw through the game of "National" movement and warned their people of the hovering dangers. In 1906, the Muslim League was founded as a challenge to the Indian National Congress. Maulana Hasrat Mohani presented a plan to the Government for the country envisaging two separate states for the Hindus and Muslims. Chaudhary Rehmat Ali further developed this concept. He displayed great wisdom and foresight by putting forth not only a name but in large measure the scheme that culminated in the creation of Pakistan. Maulana Mohamed Ali, Maulana Shaukat Ali and Maulana Zafar Ali Khan spread the message of Pakistan through their lucid lectures and articles in newspapers.
Both, Quaid-e-Azam and Allama Iqbal contributed a lot for the fulfillment of the dream of a separate homeland.

ALLAHBAD ADDRESS, 1930:
Another point of view is that Allahabad address was the start of Pakistan movement as it represented the first clarion call for the establishment of an independent Islamic State in the sub-continent. The most outstanding contribution, however, came from Dr. Sir Mohammad Iqbal, the great philosopher and poet and the symbol of Muslim nationalism. Pakistan ideology found ever-clearer expression in his religion-philosophical, didactic and poetic works. At its base was the idea that spiritual unit founded on Islam was the most vital and integral element of national society. Islam emerges in this ideology as a form of National unity and absorbs all political thoughts.

LAHORE RESOLUTION, 1940:
On March 23, 1940, Muhammed Ali Jinnah, leader of the All India Muslim League, formally endorsed the "Lahore Resolution," calling for the creation of an independent state in regions where Muslims constituted a majority. According to some people this was the start of a regular movement for the creation of Pakistan. . It declared that no constitutional plan would be workable in the country or acceptable to the Muslims unless it was designed on the basic principle that geographically contiguous units were demarcated into regions in a manner that the areas in which the Muslims were numerically in a majority were grouped together to constitute an independent state.
BIRTH OF PAKISTAN
After a hard and heroic struggle by the Muslims of the sub- continent, the British Parliament was forced to approve the Indian Independence Act, 1947 leading to the birth of Pakistan on 14th August. 1947.
Thus the response of the millions, sacrificing their lives and homes, to the call of "UNITY, FAITH and DISCIPLINE" from their Quaid-e-Azam fitfully placed Pakistan on the world map.
Quaid-e-Azam was a great man and a great Muslim. He vehemently advocated morality in politics. He declared that morality in politics was even more important than in private life "because,' if you do something wrong in public you hurt and harm more people".


These were the point of views of different people. But according to me, history of Pakistan was started when The Umayyad caliph in Damascus sent an expedition to Balochistan and Sindh in 711 led by Muhammad bin Qasim. This was the start of history of Pakistan because the Pakistan has been made on the foundation of Islam and the history of Pakistan was started when the first Muslim entered India. In accordance to Quaid e Azam’s thoughts:

“"the Pakistan Movement started when the first Muslim put his foot on the soil of Sindh, the Gateway of Islam in India."







                                      
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Topic: Meera...

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Posted 15 Oct 2004

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Shoot from TV play "Anarkali" (Meera & Babar Ali)







I personally think she is lukin beautiful as anarkali esp in the 1st pic :)!
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